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woot said:
Nothing new.

My sister in-law has been on welfare 99.9% of her life. I got her husband a job with me years ago. Unfortunately it cut into her welfare check and there wasn't anyone around to help her with all of the kids. Better off having him paint cars under the table. After the pandemic she got a bus driver license and was making $300/day driving a school bus. Too stressful so she had baby #7 and is back on welfare.

My wife's friend was a hairdresser but it wasn't worth it as it was making a dent in welfare/public housing. So she went full-time welfare, then started dating a ticket scalper/pot dealer(post legalization) who had "chronic pain" and couldn't work. then lost her kid. Now they both have opiate addictions.

Not sure what the solution is to get people to make the jump from support to contributing. I don't know that cutting supports and making more poor people is going to help things.

Bonus: between the two people I mentioned there are autism spectrum diagnosis for more then 50% of the children ensuring the biggest government check possible.
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I think most forms of social assistance should be time limited. Lifetime eligibility of five years or so. I don't mind helping people through a rough patch but social assistance should not be a career path. In the US, they have issues with generational social assistance as kids learn from the parents.

Obviously some exception for disability but even that shouldn't be a blanket imo. Assess the disability and for most a reduced/modified work plan with some assistance makes far more sense than the crap we call odsp. Aggressive re-evaluations to clear the ranks of those that are no longer eligible which frees up money for those that need it.
 
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I'ts 9AM. After reading through the last 2 depressing pages in this discussion I'm ready for a visit to my liquor cabinet.
 
GreyGhost said:
I think most forms of social assistance should be time limited. Lifetime eligibility of five years or so. I don't mind helping people through a rough patch but social assistance should not be a career path. In the US, they have issues with generational social assistance as kids learn from the parents. Obviously some exception for disability but even that shouldn't be a blanket, assess the disability and for most a reduced/modified work plan with some assistance makes far more than the crap we call odsp. Aggressive re-evaluations to clear the ranks of those that are no longer eligible which frees up money for those that need it.
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Generational social assistance is not just a US thing, very common here. Growing up in a lower income area a significant number of girls in my high-school class planned on getting pregnant, collecting welfare, and other gov support etc. as their career path. That's how their mom's did it, that is how they will, and their kids, and so on. I am sure guys as well they just did not broadcast it as much at the time. From their perspective the standard of living for lower income working stiffs didn't seem all that different/better.... The bigger problem, these people have LOTS of kids (part of how they work the system) and out breed all of us working stiffs! They were/are not new immigrants, multi-generational Canadians.

It goes against modern sensibilities but the solution to me is to bring back the negative stigma of this situation. In contrast to the above paragraph people a good friend had to go on welfare during a tough patch (early 90s), he was extremely embarrassed by it and did everything he could to get off of it. That is how it should be, safety net--not a lifestyle. People will always work the system, make it a PITA and embarrassing to do so will help reduce the number.
 
I agree this is a very depressing post.

I deleted my length reply, as it feels like a waste of words.
Our government, our society seems to be on auto-pilot and self destruct.
I'm sure like many, I dread Canada's future, I worry for my future, but try to keep on a positive path forward (we'll see where that takes me)
 
backmarkerducati said:
Growing up in a lower income area a significant number of girls in my high-school class planned on getting pregnant, collecting welfare, and other gov support etc. as their career path. That's how their mom's did it, that is how they will, and their kids, and so on.
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My friend's family's bike shop was on Ontario St. just north of the mall in Milton. The stroller races started at 1 pm sharp daily.
 
Jampy00 said:
I have to agree with this statement, one of the reasons we never had kids was the worry about the future.
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I feel really lucky. I have 3 kids, all in their 20s now, they turned out good.

I suppose I'll have grandkids someday -- I sometimes worry how that's going to turn out.
 
woot said:
Nothing new.

My sister in-law has been on welfare 99.9% of her life. I got her husband a job with me years ago. Unfortunately it cut into her welfare check and there wasn't anyone around to help her with all of the kids. Better off having him paint cars under the table. After the pandemic she got a bus driver license and was making $300/day driving a school bus. Too stressful so she had baby #7 and is back on welfare.

My wife's friend was a hairdresser but it wasn't worth it as it was making a dent in welfare/public housing. So she went full-time welfare, then started dating a ticket scalper/pot dealer(post legalization) who had "chronic pain" and couldn't work. then lost her kid. Now they both have opiate addictions.

Not sure what the solution is to get people to make the jump from support to contributing. I don't know that cutting supports and making more poor people is going to help things.

Bonus: between the two people I mentioned there are autism spectrum diagnosis for more then 50% of the children ensuring the biggest government check possible.
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A friend drove school bus and made half that for about six hours a day, split shift.

I've got a welfare exploitation story as well but I'll go with this one instead.

The reality was shown on an American news expose show that was contradicting the government stance that said welfare was not being abused.

The show followed a lady from Milwaukee taking her infant on a bus to IIRC Chicago and walking into a welfare office saying she had left her abusive husband and was sleeping on the floor of a friends apartment.

Instant cash and she hops back on the bus to Milwaukee.

The TV crew caught up with her and asked her about her scheme and if she was afraid of getting caught. She allowed them to film her as she replied "Why would I worry about getting caught? Their job is to give out money. If they don't give out money they don't have a job."

It used to be a person had to go and collect their unemployment and welfare cheques. Now they are mailed or direct deposit, a more efficient method. It also means the person can't be away on vacation.

Self entitlement is destroying this country but trying to stop that isn't "Woke". The "Woke" community would work the media to destroy any politician that spoke out against the supposedly underprivileged.

We need a benevolent dictator.
 
Jampy00 said:
I agree this is a very depressing post.

I deleted my length reply, as it feels like a waste of words.
Our government, our society seems to be on auto-pilot and self destruct.
I'm sure like many, I dread Canada's future, I worry for my future, but try to keep on a positive path forward (we'll see where that takes me)
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When I was a kid the only lottery was the Irish Sweepstakes and it was illegal. You had to know someone to buy a ticket.

In those days I recall seeing a nice house and my mother telling me that if I wanted something like that I had to work hard and save my money. Now parents tell their kids they have to win a lottery. No teaching of work ethics.

Very few financially comfortable people got there on a lottery ticket. A tax on stupidity.

Part 2 of the lottery thing is that as I understand it lotteries fund a lot of things once covered by taxes. "Hey Justin, since we don't have to fund that civic project you can buy another surfboard."

We are FUBAR
 
Mad Mike said:
I feel really lucky. I have 3 kids, all in their 20s now, they turned out good.

I suppose I'll have grandkids someday -- I sometimes worry how that's going to turn out.
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Agreed, I think things will have to get much worse before any positive change it made.
 
woot said:
Nothing new.

My sister in-law has been on welfare 99.9% of her life. I got her husband a job with me years ago. Unfortunately it cut into her welfare check and there wasn't anyone around to help her with all of the kids. Better off having him paint cars under the table. After the pandemic she got a bus driver license and was making $300/day driving a school bus. Too stressful so she had baby #7 and is back on welfare.

My wife's friend was a hairdresser but it wasn't worth it as it was making a dent in welfare/public housing. So she went full-time welfare, then started dating a ticket scalper/pot dealer(post legalization) who had "chronic pain" and couldn't work. then lost her kid. Now they both have opiate addictions.

Not sure what the solution is to get people to make the jump from support to contributing. I don't know that cutting supports and making more poor people is going to help things.

Bonus: between the two people I mentioned there are autism spectrum diagnosis for more then 50% of the children ensuring the biggest government check possible.
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And chances are the 7 kids will be on welfare as soon as they can. Popping out welfare recipients should not be a viable career but it is and those that do know how to work the system.

Sent from the future
 
Scuba Steve said:
And chances are the 7 kids will be on welfare as soon as they can. Popping out welfare recipients should not be a viable career but it is and those that do know how to work the system.

Sent from the future
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Poland has a system to keep the population on welfare….$500/month/kid.

It’s more profitable to have a handful of kids than to bother going to work.

Was gonna go up to $800/month/kid but PiS didn’t win a majority.
 
mimico_polak said:
Poland has a system to keep the population on welfare….$500/month/kid.

It’s more profitable to have a handful of kids than to bother going to work.

Was gonna go up to $800/month/kid but PiS didn’t win a majority.
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Canada has something similar that's why they keep coming out. The one we knew got free childcare as well

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Scuba Steve said:
Canada has something similar that's why they keep coming out. The one we knew got free childcare as well

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I know we don’t get $1500/month for the 3 kids we have here. Closer to $800.
 
mimico_polak said:
Poland has a system to keep the population on welfare….$500/month/kid.

It’s more profitable to have a handful of kids than to bother going to work.

Was gonna go up to $800/month/kid but PiS didn’t win a majority.
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It’s about $800/mo here.

All you need is a PR and you can sign up for up to $800ish for each of your children.
 
Scuba Steve said:
That's because you have a job single mom gets way more

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Don't forget the autism bonus. (If you neglect your kids and they act out of control then you get a bonus)
 
woot said:
Don't forget the autism bonus. (If you neglect your kids and they act out of control then you get a bonus)
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It's not actually a bonus, it was a 2-time advance against legitimate therapy expenses of up to $44000 for young kids, $11000 for older kids. DOFO did this to help kids lingering on the Liberal era wait lists.

When PC's took over, they inherited a number of dysfunctional programs, this was one of the biggies -- it wasn't serving taxpayers or autistic children. In 2020 DOFO doubled Ontario's funding for Autism to $670M, one of the highest funding rates in the world.
 
And we haven't even talked about the ones that have kids with "well off" men (often more than 1) to get the child support cheques.
 
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