900,000 students coming in…

They are grads of St. Clair College, another provincially regulated public College that is running a Toronto paper mill for international students:


From their own website:
The main disadvantages of studying at St. Clair @ Acumen include:
  • Living costs may be higher in Toronto than in Windsor.
  • Classes are composed of only international students.
  • Due to the small size of the Ace Acumen campuses in Toronto and Mississauga, the breadth of student services, computer and science labs, and recreational facilities will be made available in an alternative format to that offered at St. Clair College’s main campus in Windsor.
The province needs to shut all these down ASAP.
I feel slightly bad for the international students as I believe they are telling the truth and paid 70-90K for their useless piece of paper. Sadly though, that piece of paper does nothing to help them start a business or get a job. They admitted that the prize is permanent resident. That useless piece of paper should never have been a path to PR either. Do something useful in Canada and get PR. Paying a diploma mill is not very useful and shouldn't count in the least.
 
Good on PEI to keep their stance...

Isn't it racism to treat everyone in a group like the worst in the group? Isn't it racism to demand everyone in a group be treated like the best in the group?
 
I feel slightly bad for the international students as I believe they are telling the truth and paid 70-90K for their useless piece of paper. Sadly though, that piece of paper does nothing to help them start a business or get a job. They admitted that the prize is permanent resident. That useless piece of paper should never have been a path to PR either. Do something useful in Canada and get PR. Paying a diploma mill is not very useful and shouldn't count in the least.
Maybe I'm too negative, but IMO...one should do proper due diligence on a school / country / degree before dropping close to 100k.

I also don't believe 100k for a useless degree was paid. They're probably including travel, food, lodging pricing into that figure.
 
Maybe I'm too negative, but IMO...one should do proper due diligence on a school / country / degree before dropping close to 100k.

I also don't believe 100k for a useless degree was paid. They're probably including travel, food, lodging pricing into that figure.
It wasn't useless when they signed up. It was a well-documented and easy to access path to permanent residency.
 
Maybe I'm too negative, but IMO...one should do proper due diligence on a school / country / degree before dropping close to 100k.

I also don't believe 100k for a useless degree was paid. They're probably including travel, food, lodging pricing into that figure.
International tuition at St. Clair is currently $22,332.93 per year for a degree program. For diploma programs it is $14,445.05 to just under $16K per year. So $89K for a degree and about $29K to $32K for an OCD (two year diploma) and $43K to $48K for an OCAD (three year diploma).


As for the "value" of the piece of paper issued. It comes from an Ontario "public" college so it has the same value as everything they issue locally. The diplomas are a bit unique and may be considered similar to a two year Associates Degree internationally but some places just don't understand what they are. The degree I expect has the same value as any other degree from Canada.

But in this case, I think the value was not the education but the idea it was a backdoor into Canada.
 
Spoke to a retired UofW proffesor a few days ago. He retired early because the admin pressures staff to lower grades so that more students can make the grade. They were also told to teach them English.
He works for Canada Post now. He's much happier.
 
Spoke to a retired UofW proffesor a few days ago. He retired early because the admin pressures staff to lower grades so that more students can make the grade. They were also told to teach them English.
He works for Canada Post now. He's much happier.
A friend that took early retirement echoed many of the same/similar things.

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Trying to get more money from students is not new. My first trip through post secondary the failure rate in the first semester was very high in my program (about 50%). The school implemented a sort of redo for failing students, hit the reset button and restart the first semester part way through the year (of course pay again). Not a single person that went this route made it past second year but the school got more money from them. We disparagingly referred to it as the retread program.
 
A friend that took early retirement echoed many of the same/similar things.

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Trying to get more money from students is not new. My first trip through post secondary the failure rate in the first semester was very high in my program (about 50%). The school implemented a sort of redo for failing students, hit the reset button and restart the first semester part way through the year (of course pay again). Not a single person that went this route made it past second year but the school got more money from them. We disparagingly referred to it as the retread program.
When the post-secondary education system became more focused on chasing money than education, the plot was lost. University presidents are appointed based on their ability to fundraise. In your scenario, the education of not being able to make it was complete at the end of the first collapse and the second round just dug the hole much deeper.

I know one guy that did one year at a university then changed universities and did first year again in a different program, failed and did first year again. At that point, he "voluntarily" decided to pursue a different path. I'm not sure if he realized that he was kicked out and refused to admit it or if he legitimately thought it was his choice after the third time failing first year.
 
I also don't believe 100k for a useless degree was paid. They're probably including bribes, forgers, counterfeiters, fake Visa consultant fees, and a Liberal dose of good old fashioned embellishment lying into that figure.
FTFY
 
I feel slightly bad for the international students as I believe they are telling the truth and paid 70-90K for their useless piece of paper. Sadly though, that piece of paper does nothing to help them start a business or get a job. They admitted that the prize is permanent resident. That useless piece of paper should never have been a path to PR either. Do something useful in Canada and get PR. Paying a diploma mill is not very useful and shouldn't count in the least.
Play stupid games… win stupid prizes.

Anyone rolling the dice on $70k should have the capacity to weigh the risks and probabilities of their financial decisions.

If the diploma mill or recruiting agent misleads a student, the recourse is a civil matter, not a taxpayer matter.
 
Play stupid games… win stupid prizes.

Anyone rolling the dice on $70k should have the capacity to weigh the risks and probabilities of their financial decisions.

If the diploma mill or recruiting agent misleads a student, the recourse is a civil matter, not a taxpayer matter.
I don't think the mills were necessarily misleading students. I think government allowed (encouraged?) that path to PR. The mills were happy to take their large cut. My point was attending school on its own should not be a path to pr. Once you start working and contributing, maybe a portion of school time counts but using time in a mill as sufficient to get PR is idiotic.
 
Did that Singh kid in PEI that was on the news every other day threatening us with hunger strikes and/or 20 minute wait times for Timmy's coffee get deported? His visa was to expire mid July and there was nothing in the news. That I saw, anyway.
 
I say we all go to Ottawa and poop on Trudeau's front lawn.
 
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