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The big talking points this year have been food insecurity, housing, and tent cities. If an alarmingly increased number of people are worried about putting food on the table and not having an affordable roof over their heads, who the hell are these 15,000 people actively looking to hire "nannies"?
Wealth inequality increases every year in most countries in the world. Those that have are constantly looking for more ways to spend it. Those that don't have are trying to stay alive.

In Toronto alone there are about 850k detached dwellings. Average price of 1.7M. If less than 2% of those owners wanted a nanny, that would fill the quota given to the entire country.
 
In Toronto alone there are about 850k detached dwellings. Average price of 1.7M. If less than 2% of those owners wanted a nanny, that would fill the quota given to the entire country.

Assuming we don't already have a glut of nannies here already (or at least claim they're nannies).
 
The big talking points this year have been food insecurity, housing, and tent cities. If an alarmingly increased number of people are worried about putting food on the table and not having an affordable roof over their heads, who the hell are these 15,000 people actively looking to hire "nannies"?
They are saving up by living in tents for the summer.
 
Did a quick Google search. The population of India is 1.417 billion compared to Canada's 39 million. Wow 36X!
 
The fact that this needed to become a national crisis for them to even begin to address the shortcomings in their policy is insane. Taxi drivers with PhD's and the hurdles to sponsor immigration for construction trades and labour have been obvious issues needing to be addressed for well over a decade. Don't get me started on the cabal in the medical colleges artificially maintaining shortages of doctors.

I also think we should be capping visas from any individual country to a maximum percentage of total, as having such a homogeneous immigrant population creates all sorts of other issues that are fully breaking the so-called cultural mosaic approach.

The system as it is works for nobody. Immigrants are (mostly) unhappy, existing Canadians are (now very) unhappy, huge excess of workers in some areas, shortages in others, foreign influence peddling, threats to national security, on and on. Fund the schools properly, stop feeding diploma mills, cut the student visas massively, modify the immigration program to specifically target employment areas of need instead of letting people buy their way in, incentivise settlement away from Southern Ontario, ensure an even spread of nationalities from around the world to prevent individual populations from getting too big and insular.

Canada needs immigration. We have the space, and our internal birth rate is low. But the system as it stands is so broken...
 
The fact that this needed to become a national crisis for them to even begin to address the shortcomings in their policy is insane. Taxi drivers with PhD's and the hurdles to sponsor immigration for construction trades and labour have been obvious issues needing to be addressed for well over a decade. Don't get me started on the cabal in the medical colleges artificially maintaining shortages of doctors.

I also think we should be capping visas from any individual country to a maximum percentage of total, as having such a homogeneous immigrant population creates all sorts of other issues that are fully breaking the so-called cultural mosaic approach.

The system as it is works for nobody. Immigrants are (mostly) unhappy, existing Canadians are (now very) unhappy, huge excess of workers in some areas, shortages in others, foreign influence peddling, threats to national security, on and on. Fund the schools properly, stop feeding diploma mills, cut the student visas massively, modify the immigration program to specifically target employment areas of need instead of letting people buy their way in, incentivise settlement away from Southern Ontario, ensure an even spread of nationalities from around the world to prevent individual populations from getting too big and insular.

Canada needs immigration. We have the space, and our internal birth rate is low. But the system as it stands is so broken...
I watched a video on what Denmark is doing with regards to immigration and they are getting called racists etc.

The Danish concern is that they are a socialist country but their economics don't allow for massive numbers of newcomers that are untrained and culturally different.

Canada is different in that only 5% are native where in Scandinavia the culture is more deeply rooted, making comparisons difficult.

Think of it as the family home and a family member has to come back due to circumstances. They grew up in the place and know the rules, expectations and patterns.

The best way to handle the problem is to help the potential immigrants fix the problems back home. That gets us involved in world politics but how do we help if we can't fix our petty bike lane issues here.
 
I watched a video on what Denmark is doing with regards to immigration and they are getting called racists etc.

The Danish concern is that they are a socialist country but their economics don't allow for massive numbers of newcomers that are untrained and culturally different.

Canada is different in that only 5% are native where in Scandinavia the culture is more deeply rooted, making comparisons difficult.

Think of it as the family home and a family member has to come back due to circumstances. They grew up in the place and know the rules, expectations and patterns.

The best way to handle the problem is to help the potential immigrants fix the problems back home. That gets us involved in world politics but how do we help if we can't fix our petty bike lane issues here.
Denmark (and much of Europe generally) definitely has different challenges in regards to protecting what are much more established and homogenous cultural norms. Northern European countries especially have a social structure that only works if the vast majority participate in good faith. If you have a new population with some who approach interaction with government with a mentality of take what you can get, things fall apart fast. This is absolutely not to say that that's in any way typical of their immigrants, but it doesn't take many to create serious issues.

Having spent a good bit of time in Italy, I can at least understand the fear that Italians have when faced with the tidal wave of African migrants. The sheer volume is enough that it is natural to worry about being overwhelmed. As you say, though, the key is finding ways to make things in Africa not so awful that people will risk death to leave. The west has massively pulled back on foreign aid since the end of the cold war, and this is the result. Europe especially has been very insular and comfortable (look how little aid they can/want to offer to Ukraine), and is now facing some uncomfortable truths.

I think the Canadian problem is different, though. Our geography means we face fewer undocumented migrants (though this could quickly become a crisis if Trump follows through his threat to deport 11M people when he regains the presidency). It's more a case of managing those who we invite in. As for who and where, the racism card will get played by whomever gains by playing.

When people started to try and do some digging into the Vancouver real estate crisis, there was so little data about purchasers that the only approach was to look at names and employment status of purchasers. When this revealed a huge proportion of million dollar plus homes being purchased by housewives and students with Chinese names, any rational discussion about what that meant was shouted down as racist by a very well organised lobby. It paralysed any approach to even figuring out what the cause of the problem is, let alone finding a solution.

The problem here is not that individual populations are inherently less positive than others. There is nothing about somebody from India or China that makes them less suitable as an immigrant than somebody from Angola, Ireland or Kazakhstan. But when you have such massive immigration from a single country, it inherently creates issues with assimilation. I think while we mostly appreciate the value of multiculturalism, we don't want to essentially establish colonies within our borders. The larger a block of immigrants comes from a single place, the slower they will blend into the rest of the existing population. To go back to Vancouver, 90+% of the immigrant population is from two countries. That's not multiculturalism, and it shows. There are people with a need for opportunities, safety, and a place to raise their families from all over the world. I'd prefer to spread those opportunities around, and make a conscious effort to do so.
 
In a new 'f-you' to local students, I was speaking with my neighbour who's son got into Guelph University.

He said that the school has promised to ensure that international students are guaranteed residence housing, FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THEIR PROGRAM! Basically eliminating any chance in hell of Canadian students getting a shot at housing on residence.

His son is #600 on a 1200 person waiting list for housing at residence...guess what the chances are of getting in that dorm room? There are 200 spots.

It's a ******* joke how we treat Canadians where money from international students is what brings in funds for the schools.

F$@#ing joke.
 
In a new 'f-you' to local students, I was speaking with my neighbour who's son got into Guelph University.

He said that the school has promised to ensure that international students are guaranteed residence housing, FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THEIR PROGRAM! Basically eliminating any chance in hell of Canadian students getting a shot at housing on residence.

His son is #600 on a 1200 person waiting list for housing at residence...guess what the chances are of getting in that dorm room? There are 200 spots.

It's a ******* joke how we treat Canadians where money from international students is what brings in funds for the schools.

F$@#ing joke.
The clue to the real problem is that this guarantee also applies to out-of-province students. In other words, the biggest issue is how underfunded the major universities are by the province. The rate hasn't gone up in forever, despite massive inflation and other cost increases. If we want universities to stop courting international and out-of-province students, we need to start paying our way as taxpayers, and insist the provincial government change the current model. The alternative is to massively jack up tuition in the American model.

This isn't to say that the universities couldn't do better, but Guelph is a good example. It's primarily an agricultural and veterinary school, two critical roles in maintaining food security and very much career based (e.g. minimal basket weaving, to use the lazy stereotype). This is a school we want Ontario farmers, food scientists and vets to attend. But that kind of quality education ain't free, and the province is acting like it is...
 
Canada dangles the carrot of permanent residence to international students to get more workers in various industries.
Some of the stuff you see on YouTube seems like they are on your side but really aren't. Companies want the division between local and international students. They want international students to have less pay and employment rights.
You have to protect international students from companies taking advantage of them or they will keep hiring them folks before locals.
The only way to defend good-paying jobs and employment rights is for all workers, local and international to be treated equally.

I posted this article below before but I think it is a good reminder of companies end game.

Shoppers Drug Mart 'volunteer' job posting was an error: Loblaw​

 

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