900,000 students coming in…
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Read that out loud to yourself.
Unintended consequences here we go...friend's husband just got notified his job is over at one of the big colleges as the new student cap directly affects his job.
Less students for the college = less work for him = loss of job next week.
Less students for the college = less work for him = loss of job next week.
There will be plenty of that to come. Like any business, go deep into a product and the market for that product dries up, it means changes and restructuring have to come, workers pay the price. In this case the product was going super deep, doubling, tripling, etc,. down on foreign students for some public colleges and universities. Unintended, I disagree, I think it was fully expected, not much different than someone working in a manufacturing plant and the product line is closing.
I expect many of these foreign student only satellite campuses in the GTA to completely close. I also expect some of these public schools will be teetering on the edge of financially collapsing all together. Most paper mill mall colleges will be gone.
In a sense the degree mills were like "Me Too" products, too cheap and easy to copy. Legit schools got some of the overload but had their numbers reduced in the cull as well.
I was told that 2-4-D kills dandelions by over growing the plant to the point the root can no longer sustain life. It happens to businesses too.
This isn’t just degree mills. 40% of UK universities are in financial trouble. Many of the big Canadian universities are in trouble, especially in Ontario. If government, provincial or otherwise doesn’t look after education then there’s big knock on effects. In Canada, especially Ontario (and elsewhere) we needed to seek alternative funding sources, hence international students.
Education is an investment in the future and the payback can be too slow for populist politicians to want to deal with.
Useful education is important. Unlimited support for professional students that take multiple programs but never grow up is a dumpster fire. As with most government spending programs, it needs a sober look and targeted funding. Dumping more money into the fire just makes the fire bigger but doesn't improve things.
You can get a new government faster than a recognized degree.
IMHO way too many people are going to university these days. We need people in trades but everyone has been brainwashed into believing you are nothing if you don't go.
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And too many degrees are useless. If you just put in time and keep breathing and pass, that has zero value to you or anybody else. It has to be hard or it's meaningless. Wastes the best three or four (or ten) years of much of the labour force.
What’s useful education? Critical thinking skills, communication skills, presentation skills, time management skills aren’t really taught but they are acquired as part of most university/college courses and those translate into real life everyday work skills.
I get that “basket weaving 101” is a pretty tough one to argue (I’m not going to) but there’s,plenty of arts based courses that would still let students acquire these skills.
Is every student going to have these skills as part of this investment? No..because like all investments there’s some element of risk (a risk of time-wasters or incapable students) but overall the odds are that it’s a positive effect for the country to have an educated workforce and to provide for homegrown technology advances and development and implementation.
That’s because a university degree is the new high school degree. I agree with you. If you want to change things it actually starts by not inflating high school grades.
As a start, any degree that requires less than 40 hours a week when a full-time student should be immediately re-evaluated. Either cut entirely or length of program reduced so you have the same number of hours in less years.
Then you may have an issue with part-time degrees over longer periods (which are valuable for anyone wanting to change careers etc). It should really be “a degree is X units/work hours” total and then a caveat for full time degrees with degree length.
There are accreditation programs that are conducted for many degrees (that you don’t hear about) where a third party team comes into check that you have all your t’s crossed and i’s dotted and that the degree is actually “worth” the designation. I know of a medical faculty that was in severe danger of losing it’s accreditation due to one of these visits.
I am OK with parttime degrees. My problem is useless bird degrees that make universities money but have almost no other benefit. Many arts degrees (but not all) fit in this category. They teach students that breathing is a sufficient level of effort to succeed in life. It's not, and the "degree" actually makes them worse members of society than before they started.
Some employers fan the flames demanding degrees for basic file clerk jobs. Instead of "Do you know the alphabet? You're hired."
Arts, as in performing and fine arts, may have an important role in the future.
If AI takes over the world and there's nothing left for us to do but watch CGI porn and drink AI brewed beer we may need the distraction.
Arts, as in performing and fine arts, may have an important role in the future.
If AI takes over the world and there's nothing left for us to do but watch CGI porn and drink AI brewed beer we may need the distraction.
There’s plenty of “bird courses” but I don’t really know about bird degrees. Most degrees all have some element of difficulty associated with them.
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Besides Colleges and Rentals/Real Estate - what other industries could be significantly impacted by the loss of these international students?
Ubereats/skipthedishes.
