More just a complaint about the crap standard needed to get a license. It wouldnt be hard to go back to the old testing centre model where there was a low friction test pad at the centre to ensure the first time you hit ice it isn't in an intersection with pedestrians.Really?? your usually more rational than that @GreyGhost, kid drives to work, comes out 6hrs later and its started to rain? sh'e supposed to leave the car there and bus it home? oy vey