Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Maybe I’ll join you on that QC trip @nakkers!!

@PrivatePilot put a bug in my ear for it.

He also got me on the Volt train….twice!

But … no EV choices match the Maverick in usability…except the F150L, but that’s for ballers.
QC is always an adventure and welcome the company!


Use your Oddy for the utility stuff and ev for trips to Costco.


I’m keeping the Forester for any trailer/utility stuff I need. Dumping the Kia Soul as it has no soul, no guts and just isn’t any fun. And it doesn’t get that great of mileage for being such a gutless wonder. I know, it’s a brick in the wind. Should have known better. It was intended for my wife’s work of transporting elderly clients for appointments. She liked it. It was cheap.

But, it’s time for a change. Got a couple of dings on the car fax so it’s not gonna bring a good trade in value. You only live once so, I think it will need to go. lol
 
The base ID4 has a smaller battery so you have to up the trim to Pro. And no dealers have 2wd with longer range of 468 kms. They have plenty of the pro trim with awd. $50km plus tax and in stock. Too rich for me.

This time I didn't want anything with less than 350km usable range all year round. Our original Ioniq, although a great car, the battery was just an awkward size. 200km in the summer, down to 130ish km in the absolute dead of winter when it was really cold. That made it difficult sometimes when my wife would burn 100km of that range going to and from work leaving the car basically useless after work in the winter, or leaving only 80-100km (tops) left in the summer - even a trip up to Port Perry to visit her grandmother in the nursing home after work was tight in that case, for example.

The ioniq, game changer with the 77kw battery - range anxiety really just isn't going to be a thing anymore. 350-400km all day long in the dead of winter, and 550-600km in the summer.

I have the car programmed to charge to only 80% currently (typical recommendation for long term battery longevity, never charge to 100% if you don't need to) and right now (checking the Bluelink app on my phone) it's showing 346km range at 72% charge.

Moral of the story, go for something with the big battery if you want to virtually completely remove range anxiety from the equation.
I could make the trip to Quebec. But, my wife isn’t on board with the whole idea yet.

1/ Buy from a big reputable dealer in one of the major cities. Montreal has worked for me twice, and you're more likely to find a dealer with a salesperson who speaks english. Honda Boucherville was where we got our '22 Ioniq, and we bought our 2017 ioniq at a dealer called AutoFlash. Great experiences at both. I can give anyone interested the contact info for the fellow I dealt with at Honda Boucherville if anyone wants, they had a few other Ioniq's IIRC.

2/ Try to find a car that was a trade-in at said dealer. They'll have checked out that there's nothing fishy about it before even accepting it as a trade, of course.

3/ Don't buy from corner-lot type places in Quebec, ever. See #1 and #2.

4/ Due diligence the history and ownership - carfax, check the ownership isn't branded,

5/ Due dilligence mechanical. Hook up an OBD scanner, check that the codes weren't conveniently cleared just before you went to see the car, drive it and check no new codes pop up, and in the case of the ioniq5, it has lots of convenient PID's that show lots of battery info and history. Here's our 2022 for example.

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State of health, 100%. Only 140kwh of fast charging ever, and about 60-80kw of that was on our drive home. Fast charged 17 times as of the time of that screenshot - it was at 9 when I first checked it in the dealers parking lot. Was experimenting at one fast charger a few days ago and that added about 6 or 8 connection/disconnection cycles that it counted, plus 2 on our way home, for our current total. TONS of other info as well. OBDLink MX with the "Carscanner" app with the Hyundai PID pack loaded.

6/ A reputable dealer will offer you a short term warranty - Honda Boucherville was 30 days for example. If anything major goes pear shaped, you're good.

7/ The taxes are a little more complicated, if anyone gets to the point of being serious about this, I'll detail further.
 
I’m keeping the Forester for any trailer/utility stuff I need

My daughter is fixated on a Forester right now, so that's a whole other aspect of car shopping on top of our own right now, but that's another story.

Her budget is about $20K (personally, I'd like to see her not spend much more than $15-$18K all in) and she specifically wants a green one I think which makes it even harder as that seems to be a harder to find colour.

Those two things put you into either the problematic engine year range, or the problematic CVT year range. I don't know a ton about Subies honestly except for reading lots of horror stories about engines and transmissions. I know that this is the trap that's easy to fall into with ANY car you start Googling, but a lot of the worry seems quite justified in the 2012-2019 range when it comes to Subaru.
 
My daughter is fixated on a Forester right now, so that's a whole other aspect of car shopping on top of our own right now, but that's another story.

Her budget is about $20K (personally, I'd like to see her not spend much more than $15-$18K all in) and she specifically wants a green one I think which makes it even harder as that seems to be a harder to find colour.

Those two things put you into either the problematic engine year range, or the problematic CVT year range. I don't know a ton about Subies honestly except for reading lots of horror stories about engines and transmissions. I know that this is the trap that's easy to fall into with ANY car you start Googling, but a lot of the worry seems quite justified in the 2012-2019 range when it comes to Subaru.
At one time my wife and I were looking at Subarus (outback and rav4 and crv, etc) for her. They had ruined the new ones (outback went from wagon to weird minivan) so we tried some used ones. As I looked at the numbers, I shook my head as I was looking at >20K for a problematic Subaru out of warranty. Bought a hyundai suv for 15 that was better in almost every way.
 
If you bought "full self-driving", you shpuld be ****** by now as musk finally admitted that the hardware in the cars is not capable of fsd and never will be. Hardware upgrade is required to have a chance (and lets be honest, its a very small chance).

 
Bought a hyundai suv for 15 that was better in almost every way.

Looked at lots of Hyundai and Kia options for her, but either she doesn’t like the looks, or some have the ticking timebomb Theta-II engines. No thanks.

If you bought "full self-driving", you shpuld be ****** by now as musk finally admitted that the hardware in the cars is not capable of fsd and never will be

What, Musk has been lying for the last few years?

<shocked pikachu face>

Next thing you know he’ll be telling us a $25K Tesla, fully unsupervised self driving and Tesla robotaxis will all be on the road inside the next year or two.
 
Looked at lots of Hyundai and Kia options for her, but either she doesn’t like the looks, or some have the ticking timebomb Theta-II engines. No thanks.



What, Musk has been lying for the last few years?

<shocked pikachu face>

Next thing you know he’ll be telling us a $25K Tesla, fully unsupervised self driving and Tesla robotaxis will all be on the road inside the next year or two.
And don’t forget the under ocean tunnel…..I’ll get right on it! LoL

It’ll go the same route as a tunnel under Lake Ontario or the one I’ve heard between Newfoundland and Labrador for 15 years now…any day now…
 
Even with basically perfect credit scores about ~8.5% is about best anyones getting on financing used bikes or cars right now. If you've got something better, do share, I'll gladly move to it lol.

Paying with cash is definitely better? People think that's crazy to do, but then have no issue paying all that interest. Buy a cheap car and CAA for 5 years while saving a car payment every month in an interest making investment. After 5 years, go buy a new car with all that cash you now have.
 
Paying with cash is definitely better? People think that's crazy to do, but then have no issue paying all that interest. Buy a cheap car and CAA for 5 years while saving a car payment every month in an interest making investment. After 5 years, go buy a new car with all that cash you now have.

If you don’t finance a used car the price you pay will be higher. Dealers make a kickback on financing.
 
If you don’t finance a used car the price you pay will be higher. Dealers make a kickback on financing.

Sorry. I typed quick and forgot to add the obvious part where you can finance it, then pay it off the second you can. Hopefully the next day so the stealership gets nothing, but even if it's a few months later it's better.
 
I bought a new Chevy spark in 2016 for $9996 +tax . Great fuel mileage, 200160kms. Only done brakes, and replaced a rusty vvt module. I don't think electric compares yet.
With the number of electronic modules every vehicle has now, I'm not worried about reliability/repairability of ice vs ev. Either one could be fine or a crapshow.
 
If you don’t finance a used car the price you pay will be higher. Dealers make a kickback on financing.
The play is to take the financing, then pay it all off in 2-3 months.

I’ve done it before. Signed up for financing, got the discounted deal, and then paid off before the first payment.

Unfortunately my FIFO days are over so money is tighter than before.

My LOC is Prime. My HELOC is Prime + 1%.

At 10-11% from Hyundai…I’m better off just lying to the salesman…or buying new.
 
I bought a new Chevy spark in 2016 for $9996 +tax . Great fuel mileage, 200160kms. Only done brakes, and replaced a rusty vvt module. I don't think electric compares yet.

I’ve driven a Spark. If all you want is an econobox that gets you from A to B with basically almost no creature comforts, a lot of noise, and the driving excitement of an 80’s Chevette, it works.

It’s not a fair comparison to a lot of EV’s however.

As I said earlier in the thread, comparing 1:1 is important. When you compare what we bought to, say, a Toyota RAV4 (similar size, similar creature comforts, similar mileage, same year) they’re around the same price as what we paid for the Ioniq, to 4-5K more. So right out of the gate, every km we drive until the day we sell it, we’re now ahead on operating costs - quite significantly.

You wouldn’t compare a Spark to a RAV4 either.
 
My daughter is fixated on a Forester right now, so that's a whole other aspect of car shopping on top of our own right now, but that's another story.

If she can get past the ugly design language on them lately, she wont regret it.
My brother has a 2022 that he bought primarily for our father (seat height is perfect for him to move to/from wheel chair when taking him for his appointments). Super comfortable for long rides, excellent head room and the dog loves the room behind especially once the rear seats are folded.
Although the engine appears underpowered, the gearing is just right so it more than makes up for it.

Granted, it only has 19,xxx kms at this time so I cant speak to the higher mileage variants out there.
Good luck with the search!
 
My LOC is Prime. My HELOC is Prime + 1%.

Guess we need to go get a HELOC. I looked into it many years ago but since our mortgage at the time (and what tiny but remains to this day) is with London Life (or whatever they’re called now) and it made things like even getting our line of credit secured much more challenging as they’re not a traditional bank.

Not sure what the situation with a HELOC might be when you don’t deal with one or the big banks for your mortgage to begin with.

At 10-11% from Hyundai

Something’s gotta be screwy there honestly. If a Honda dealer can get me 8’s on a used vehicle in Quebec, a Hyundai dealer in Ontario should be able to do the same.

If she can get past the ugly design language on them lately, she wont regret it. My brother has a 2022

Much beyond a 2019 isn’t in her budget. But she likes the funky styling - she lives, works (literally) and breathes the outdoors, so they appeal to her. I just really fear the long term cost of ownership - they are not known for being the most trouble free cars out there (although they’ve really improved in the last 5-6 years) and they’re notorious for high repair costs. As a 1 year out of university kid just getting on her feet, the last thing she needs is a car payment *and* a $5-$8k repair bill down the road when something major blows up.
 
Guess we need to go get a HELOC. I looked into it many years ago but since our mortgage at the time (and what tiny but remains to this day) is with London Life (or whatever they’re called now) and it made things like even getting our line of credit secured much more challenging as they’re not a traditional bank.

Not sure what the situation with a HELOC might be when you don’t deal with one or the big banks for your mortgage to begin with.



Something’s gotta be screwy there honestly. If a Honda dealer can get me 8’s on a used vehicle in Quebec, a Hyundai dealer in Ontario should be able to do the same.



Much beyond a 2019 isn’t in her budget. But she likes the funky styling - she lives, works (literally) and breathes the outdoors, so they appeal to her. I just really fear the long term cost of ownership - they are not known for being the most trouble free cars out there (although they’ve really improved in the last 5-6 years) and they’re notorious for high repair costs. As a 1 year out of university kid just getting on her feet, the last thing she needs is a car payment *and* a $5-$8k repair bill down the road when something major blows up.
Spinning up a heloc where one doesn't exist is somewhat costly. I did that on our last house. Basically you rebuy the house from yourself, lawyers, title insurance, the whole shebang. Cost me about $1K. I ended up never using it but I was starting a company and didn't want to fail because of a lack of access to capital. If I had to do it again, I would use banks lawyer, I suspect that would be less costly.
 
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