Hell just froze. Heading to Harley-Davidson dealership tonight.

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SunnY S said:
Rented a VROD once in Florida. It was a sweeeeet ride. I could see myself owning one when I get old and retired, or as a second bike.

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Funny...I could say the same about a bimmer. :)
 
Myztyk said:
I've ridden one...it's crotch bitingly uncomfortable. Not something I could ever see myself going long distances on.

It really felt like the worst of both worlds. That was definitely just me though. :)
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You must be short, or have short legs to crunch your crotch up on that bike.
Rode it for about an hour, thought it was super comfortable, and would love to to try a long distance on it just to see how comfy it really is.
Crazy acceleration and superbly nimble handling. Can't beat it on any other cruiser (or muscle cruiser) for an all around bike as far as I'm concerned.
 
Bigevildoer said:
You must be short, or have short legs to crunch your crotch up on that bike.
Rode it for about an hour, thought it was super comfortable, and would love to to try a long distance on it just to see how comfy it really is.
Crazy acceleration and superbly nimble handling. Can't beat it on any other cruiser (or muscle cruiser) for an all around bike as far as I'm concerned.
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Ahh sweet.. it's the dude with the misquoted prices. How ya been?

I am not short...6'0". The other guy who was on the demo with me had the same problem. So you must either be some wierd super long legged dude or be super tall.

To correct your comment, you are right, you can't beat it on any other cruiser that doesn't cost $6k more than it's competitive class.

Have a nice day!
 
mikem said:
As a person who has lost a few friends to the dark side be careful, this road you are heading down can be an expensive one. Do you look good in orange and black? I hope you do because your wardrobe is about to change, out with everything, in with HD branded wear ( my one bud even has HD pj's). Don't forget the decals for all your cages. Then there's the inevitable Sportster for the wife. And those things your friends ride, they're not real bikes, you can't be seen with them. They sound more like bumble bees than real bikes anyway.
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Not true, for example I don't have a single Harley item other than the bike and of course the manual! And even of this true, well think of those items as equivalent to the decals on some sports bikes, you know the ones right? the extra 5HP decals
 
elnady said:
Not true, for example I don't have a single Harley item other than the bike and of course the manual! And even of this true, well think of those items as equivalent to the decals on some sports bikes, you know the ones right? the extra 5HP decals
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I would actually compare those decals to the $2000 paint jobs of horses, dragons and fire balls that get painted on Harleys all the time. You know the ones that let everyone know your Harley isn't the same as the other million that were made.
 
albeit i ain't ready for their bigger bikes, i like the sportster, i like a simple bike, straight forward, no fancy bells and whistles...i think what frustrates me is that i would like to be able to work more on my own bike rather than letting the shop do some of the work...sure i do my own oil changes now, but only so much one can do in a condo...
 
Myztyk said:
You still have not provided anything to back up your point. You have only made statements. And since you continue to be unable to come up with that metric cruiser for a 1/3 the price I keep asking you for, it takes away from the rest of your argument as it diminishes your credibility. I'd continue to offer you some tips on the finer points of debating, but I'm going to have to start charging you soon.

I have done my research...that why I bought a Harley. In the class of bike I bought it is heads and tails above the direct competition. Including the aptly named 800 pound behemoth, the M109.

Put down the haterade, do some research that isn't based on 1980's technology or that somebody from some internet website told you was true because his brother's brother's friend rode a Harley once and it sucked.

Are you done? Because this is now the third time you've posted since you said you were. I just want to make sure I come back for more entertainment.
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I never attacked anyone personally, I was putting down HD for a lot of legitimate reasons.

If you really want to know, rather than turning this around and playing games of "prove it!" The following is a a spicy read.

Peace

http://www.goingfaster.com/angst/ownersmanual.htm
 
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I can't figure out why anyone would want most of the Harleys on the market today. All that chrome to clean and polish! Even if you're patient enough to do a decent job of it, when would you ever find time to ride it? ;)
 
tigster said:
I never attacked anyone personally, I was putting down HD for a lot of legitimate reasons.

If you really want to know, rather than turning this around and playing games of "prove it!" The following is a a spicy read.

Peace

http://www.goingfaster.com/angst/ownersmanual.htm
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Sweet...an opinion piece...that is based on the owner's experience of dealing with Harley owner's....with some quotes from the internet thrown in for good measure.

Quite frankly these aren't games of "prove it" as you state. You've made a supposed factually based statement yet continue to support it with opinion. This isn't Prove It...it's the foundations of debating. Which as I've noted above, I am more than happy to give you some pointers on.

Your original comment is still invalid based on this and I'm still waiting for that pricing information.
 
Freestyle72 said:
I would actually compare those decals to the $2000 paint jobs of horses, dragons and fire balls that get painted on Harleys all the time. You know the ones that let everyone know your Harley isn't the same as the other million that were made.
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Ugh...At least the stickers are cheap! :)
 
all this talk about Harley forcing dealers to do things. Its business changes. Why is there no talk of Honda closing dealers and moving motorcycles to car dealers.

People can ride what ever they want. Why do people drive BMW when Honda Accords are rated better car, becuase they want to drive BMW
 
I like Harley, if I was going to buy a cruiser, it would be a Harley. I like the styles, the history behind the bikes and the culture is much more rich.

Comparing specs to other bikes is fine, but most people don't buy based on that, they buy on how the bike makes them feel. Also, something that I think is missing in the understanding of why the "older" generation likes Harley is that when they were young, Harley was a big name, they would look at the big cruisers go by and just drool, so the reports I have been told by people int he 50+ category. Why would someone buy an old Mustang when you can get a newer car with better tech for cheaper? I think the answer is that part of it comes to nostalgia, people sitting on there Harleys, while not from that time period, remind them of the bikes they loved in there youth. HD has a real problem now because they have marketed so well to this crowd, they have really neglected the younger generations who have not grown up with this so the draw of a Harley is no where near as strong, or at all.

Ride what you like, enjoy it, its that simple.
 
Myztyk said:
Sweet...an opinion piece...that is based on the owner's experience of dealing with Harley owner's....with some quotes from the internet thrown in for good measure.

Quite frankly these aren't games of "prove it" as you state. You've made a supposed factually based statement yet continue to support it with opinion. This isn't Prove It...it's the foundations of debating. Which as I've noted above, I am more than happy to give you some pointers on.

Your original comment is still invalid based on this and I'm still waiting for that pricing information.
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A Chevy Cobalt cannot and should not (and simply won't ever) be more expensive than a BMW. In other words, you're paying BMW prices for a Chevy Cobalt. You can't fool anyone but yourself.

Can you provide us with justification as to why HD put such premiums on their bikes? Based on what? Quality? Performance? Reliability? or simply an outstanding marketing campaign, brainwashing people who have a problem with reasoning and individuality.

No other company on this planet can get away with charging large amounts of money for inferior products and still stay in business. HD spend more money on advertising and marketing than Research and Development, and so far, history shows that they're getting their money's worth.

You're free to buy whatever it is you want, it's your money. But get your reality checked.
 
tigster said:
A Chevy Cobalt cannot and should not (and simply won't ever) be more expensive than a BMW. In other words, you're paying BMW prices for a Chevy Cobalt. You can't fool anyone but yourself.

Can you provide us with justification as to why HD put such premiums on their bikes? Based on what? Quality? Performance? Reliability? or simply an outstanding marketing campaign, brainwashing people who have a problem with reasoning and individuality.

No other company on this planet can get away with charging large amounts of money for inferior products and still stay in business. HD spend more money on advertising and marketing than Research and Development, and so far, history shows that they're getting their money's worth.

You're free to buy whatever it is you want, it's your money. But get your reality checked.
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Inferior... seriously dude get your eye checked cause HD's are friggen hot.
 
The link below is a compilation by one man of selected emails from morons. If I had the time to waste to dedicate myself to a similar site, I'd have no problem compiling the same drivel for any make, style or product. It could be cagers, wrangler jeans or anything else. What a load of crap.


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I never attacked anyone personally, I was putting down HD for a lot of legitimate reasons.

If you really want to know, rather than turning this around and playing games of "prove it!" The following is a a spicy read.

Peace

http://www.goingfaster.com/angst/ownersmanual.htm




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Thanks Tigster, that was a good entertaining read!
Describes the Harley subculture rather accurately.




Macrider,

Really? Are you feeding this troll, or just having some fun? As far as I know, idiots have no preference in what they ride. I'm not a flag waiving HD owner and happen to own a Kawi too.

Occassionally, in person, I come across someone with ignorant remarks about Harley owners. I'll let them carry one for a bit and then mention I happen to ride a Harley. It's entertaining to listen to the back peddling studder. After a couple of beers or Jack and coke, it also remarkable how well they can sing Sweet Home Alabama when I break out the guitar too. Skynard has a way of bringing out most folks inner Hillbilly.

I'm sure one day this summer, I'll buy you one of those expensive coffees at the shed and we can discuss the HD subculture a bit more. I'll bring along my check book to pay for that noise violation too.

I'm just having a bit of fun Mac. No harm intended.
 
DJM - if you get an HD, get used to this type of razzing! I had the same thing happen to me - I didn't have any particular desire to get a Harley, and as you can see I've gone through a few different styles of bikes. But after demo-ing one last year, I was absolutely sold. It's just something in the feel of the ride, which is hard to explain. Everyone chooses their ride for their own personal reasons, and it's not always about top-notch SS race technology.

You said you test-rode a friend's Super Glide, any chance you would consider it? I know if I bought something other than the Sportster I would be all over it. Are you looking for forward or mid-controls?

I bought my Sporty from National Powersports in NH: http://www.nationalpowersports.net/ If you're looking to save a few grand and don't mind the extra paperwork of importing, I highly recommend them. My partner also got her Street Bob from them with next to no hassle. Both bikes were in pristine condition with no surprises, and communication with sales staff was excellent.
 
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turbodish said:
I can't figure out why anyone would want most of the Harleys on the market today. All that chrome to clean and polish! Even if you're patient enough to do a decent job of it, when would you ever find time to ride it? ;)
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The secret is lemon pledge. No joke. :D
 
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