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Hell just froze. Heading to Harley-Davidson dealership tonight.

I tried that, didn't have much luck, just made a big waxy mess. And I used it very sparingly, as suggested.
The bike did smell nice though.

Really? It works great on just about every surface of my bike. You don't have a denim finish, do you?

The smell is an added bonus though.
 
its demographics.

HD target market is approx something like 45-65. Probely people that at one point had a motorcycle or really want to get one. Now that the kids are grown up and out of the house or university-college, they can have the time and income to buy a new bike and actually tour with it. This crowd does not care about spec sheet performance, they are buying as a toy--branding is what gets them in the showroom and what sells the bike. Just like most other products, across all verticals in the marketplace today.

They own the older demographic the same way that Suzuki GSXR or Kawi ninja (90's) owned the 18-30 market.

Im just going to make a guess here but they spend more money on marketing then all the japs combined. I see Harley commercials all the time and cant tell you the last time i saw a Jap cruiser commercial.


Harley Davidson has got there sights on the younglings
http://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/motoring/to-attract-younger-bikers-harley-davidson-turns-to-ufc
 
This one looks awesome. I'd ride it.

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I tried that, didn't have much luck, just made a big waxy mess. And I used it very sparingly, as suggested.
The bike did smell nice though.

It works well with a good micro fibre cloth. Paint and chrome, nice and easy. Cotton cloth doesn't seem to do the job.
 
This one looks awesome. I'd ride it.

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There's a 2006 anniversary version of this Super Glide - minus the messed up looking seat and rear fender (same paint scheme). I absolutely DROOL over it.
 
The secret is lemon pledge. No joke. :D

Ah! I was wondering if I'd have to hire a student over the summer to do a nightly polish if I made the switch. If so, the HD would have been a considerable expense. But lemon pledge, that cheap! Can you hook it into an automated wash system?
 
Really? It works great on just about every surface of my bike. You don't have a denim finish, do you?

The smell is an added bonus though.

Nope, gloss black, and I used a paper towel and made sure it was Lemon Pledge and not another flavour.
Maybe I wasn't as sparing as I thought.
Anyway, I just wash it maybe twice a year, give it a very thorough wax/polish each time and it's good to go. I'm not overly fussy about the looks, I mostly just ride it.:D
 
Nope, gloss black, and I used a paper towel and made sure it was Lemon Pledge and not another flavour.
Maybe I wasn't as sparing as I thought.
Anyway, I just wash it maybe twice a year, give it a very thorough wax/polish each time and it's good to go. I'm not overly fussy about the looks, I mostly just ride it.:D

If you decide to give it another try, try spraying some (sparingly, like a very quick spray) on a micofibre cloth. It's definitely not meant to deep clean the bike, but more if you want to shine away water spots, dust, etc.
 
I've tried pretty much every moto cleaning product on the market because i used to be a distributor.
After much research, i can tell you how to wash and wax a bike without spending all day on it.
And despite the beliefs of some folks, its easier to clean and maintain chrome than paint any day.

The first step is the most important, washing the bike very well.
Using a mitt doesn't help, its too large to fit in all the nooks.
First stop > Supply store for a 12 pack of cotton gloves.
Super cheap, you can use a new pair every time you wash.
Get a nice thick soapy solution going on, you can molest every inch of your bike in less than 15mins, better than you ever have before.
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This is the best product for Chrome, if you can track some down.
Your best bet to find some would be a chrome place or a custom moto shop.
http://www.highwayshine.com/dbID/460.html
It leaves a protective teflon coating, super smooth to the touch, very easy to wipe on and wipe off.

For paint, i like Pigsnot, its a bit thicker and harder to buff off, but also leaves a nice armor coat.
http://www.pigsnot.com/

Obviously many high end products like Mothers etc are very good also if used correctly.

Pledge is an old bikers trick, but only for the front end, windshield, headlight, helmet, just to make it easier to get the bugs off.
You gotta buff it out pretty good though, all you need is a light film left over.
 
all this talk about Harley forcing dealers to do things. Its business changes. Why is there no talk of Honda closing dealers and moving motorcycles to car dealers.

People can ride what ever they want. Why do people drive BMW when Honda Accords are rated better car, becuase they want to drive BMW

Simple, we are not talking about Honda, that is another thread... The point is that some companies (plural) have done crap things to their dealers and someone may want to consider that when buying, or maybe they could care less.
 
Simple, we are not talking about Honda, that is another thread... The point is that some companies (plural) have done crap things to their dealers and someone may want to consider that when buying, or maybe they could care less.

The way I see it is that some people that run dealerships/retailer locations are not very good at it and when all is said and done, business is business. If a distributor decides to terminate a relationship with a dealer, there is usually a pretty good reason for it.

I think its very one-sided to look at the dealerships like they are the victims. The bottom line is the distributor does well when the dealers do well... Sometimes the distributor needs to make decisions based on the greater good of the whole network and sometimes that can tick off one or two retailers.

If you are implying that there is some sort of ethical issue when buying HD products because of squabbles between the dealership and distributor then you might be exaggerating the issue. And if you don't buy an HD because of that then both the dealership you seem to care about and the evil distributor loses.
 
The reason I keep giving Suzuki my money is because I get great value for my money in ALL aspects of motorcycling. I keep upgrading to a newer and better bike for a very small additional premium. HD's evolutionary advancement is mediocre at best. Same old tired technology, slapped with chrome and leather sold to foolish fashion lemmings and bad-*** wannabees for unjustified amounts of money. If you fail to realize that, I can't really help you there.

In regards to sentimentality and feelings towards a car/bike/whatever is a personal thing, and I'm fine with that, but don't tell me HD produce superior motorcycles, because that is not true.

Since you failed to provide your research...I decided to do some of my own.

Source: www.motorcycle.com

2004 GSX-R Specs (That I could find)

- Curb Weight: 359.5
- MSRP: $9.699

2009 GSX-R Specs(That I could find)
- Curb Weight: 437!!! (+22%!!!)
- MSRP: $11,999


During that same wonderful time the VROD was the following:

2004:
- Curb Weight: 569
- MSRP: 17,695

2009:
- Curb Weight: 637!! (+12%) Most of which is attributable to the 240 rear and the bigger 1250 engine size vs. 2004.
- MSRP: $14,999 (WOW!)

Even if they have managed to hold power on that chunkier 750 bike, it's still going to be slower than it was 6 years ago!!! All at a 6 year CAGR of 3.61% which vastly exceeds inflationary pricing, especially over the last two years!

Please tigster, for the love of God don't sic the Suzuki R&D folk on Harley, I'm about progression...not regression!
 
Since you failed to provide your research...I decided to do some of my own.

Source: www.motorcycle.com

2004 GSX-R Specs (That I could find)

- Curb Weight: 359.5
- MSRP: $9.699

2009 GSX-R Specs(That I could find)
- Curb Weight: 437!!! (+22%!!!)
- MSRP: $11,999


During that same wonderful time the VROD was the following:

2004:
- Curb Weight: 569
- MSRP: 17,695

2009:
- Curb Weight: 637!! (+12%) Most of which is attributable to the 240 rear and the bigger 1250 engine size vs. 2004.
- MSRP: $14,999 (WOW!)

Even if they have managed to hold power on that chunkier 750 bike, it's still going to be slower than it was 6 years ago!!! All at a 6 year CAGR of 3.61% which vastly exceeds inflationary pricing, especially over the last two years!

Please tigster, for the love of God don't sic the Suzuki R&D folk on Harley, I'm about progression...not regression!

Of course it's easy to see regression when you are ignorant. The 2004 curb weight is actually a dry weight that you posted. Second of all the newer bikes have huge catalytic converters which make up for quite a bit of weight in the exhaust. You are absolutely dreaming if you think Harley has put more into R&D for performance than Suzuki. The Harley got heavier... I wouldn't be surprised if the weight gain in the Harley was to achieve the lower MSRP. I really don't think you believe a 240 tire and a slightly larger engine will cause you to gain ~70lbs. It was engineered to be cheaper. And with that comes a few pounds.
 
Of course it's easy to see regression when you are ignorant. The 2004 curb weight is actually a dry weight that you posted. Second of all the newer bikes have huge catalytic converters which make up for quite a bit of weight in the exhaust. You are absolutely dreaming if you think Harley has put more into R&D for performance than Suzuki. The Harley got heavier... I wouldn't be surprised if the weight gain in the Harley was to achieve the lower MSRP. I really don't think you believe a 240 tire and a slightly larger engine will cause you to gain ~70lbs. It was engineered to be cheaper. And with that comes a few pounds.

lol...so now I am ignorant? Ahhh...fair enough on the weight. Motorcycle.com...you have fooled me!! I sweat out about 10 pounds riding back from downtown today...Heatstroke ftl!

Actually the 240 tire won't add that much weight. But the wheel to support it will. Any HD stock wheel is stupidly heavy...and this is the biggest one in the fleet. Nothing else on the bike changed.

It still doesn't support the significantly higher than inflation cost increase that tigstar claims is a "slight increase in price".

I'm in no way suggesting Harley has put more into R&D than Suzuki. However, those huge catalytics you speak of are as of a result of them trying to compete in Cali no?...a market that Harley owns and has to make to. Lowest common denominator my friend. If you want to play there, you gotta meet the regs.


Call it 30 pounds for fluids and that bike has still seen a stupid increase in weight with no appreciable improvement in performance (that is recorded) for a disgusting increase in price given current market conditions.
 
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Sorry, from some of the comments it sounded like it was a new "reproduction" of the older bike. So 35 years old... 1976 and it has a drum front brake!!!!????

See? This is what I love about this guy...He actually apologizes when he is mistaken, builds cogent arguments....a rare thing on these forums.
 
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Sorry, from some of the comments it sounded like it was a new "reproduction" of the older bike. So 35 years old... 1976 and it has a drum front brake!!!!????

You mean my *one* comment which mentioned the anniversary paint job for 2006?

Please. At least know what you're talking about.
 

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