YYZ Plane Crash

Some decent coverage from a guy who appears to know what he is on about.
Pilot breaks down how an airplane can flip over

The National talks to airline pilot Joshua Schirard about what may have caused a passenger jet to flip over at Toronto’s Pearson airport and why he thinks the crash showcases how safe air travel is.
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Fellow interviewed from the Flt on this mornings news said they landed quite hard , plane skidded sideways and then dropped, which he thought may be the landing gear folding up and buckling, then the left wing came off with a small fire and they flipped . He had nothing but praise for the flight crew and safety helpers on site .


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mimico_polak said:
As others mentioned they may have been coming in too hot, or a wind gust pushed them down at too fast of a speed.

Landing gear can only take so much, slam it down too hard and it'll snap.
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Sometimes one comes in hot with regards to speed in gusty situations. Hard is a different matter. Again plopping down slightly hard could put weight on the wheels to prevent side drifting with the gusts. Hard enough to fold the gear is a bit too hard.

Then there's the stupid B**** taking her luggage. Leave your F****** luggage. She should be charged with endangerment.

Videos are mixed emotions. If someone dies while you take selfies at least they have a clue as to why.

I'm trying to picture hanging from the seat belt and how to drop without breaking my neck. With weight on the buckle it may not come loose as easily as before.

50+ years ago at YYZ the co-pilot deployed the spoilers too soon, the plane dropped like a rock, and crashed north of the GTA, all perished.
 
Wingboy said:
We have a saying in the skydive world.....
When the windsock has a hardon, someone is gonna get ******.
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Are there wind limits for jumping? I guess if wind exceeds your normal forward speed then you are landing backwards which wouldn't end well. Can you trim parachutes for more forward speed?
 
GreyGhost said:
Are there wind limits for jumping? I guess if wind exceeds your normal forward speed then you are landing backwards which wouldn't end well. Can you trim parachutes for more forward speed?
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There were decades ago when I jumped. We couldn't jump the day of our training. Had to come back the next day.
At the time they joked that if someone had a beer (ie ruled themself out) the wind gods would appreciate the sacrifice and relent.
 
GreyGhost said:
Video of the crash is circulating. Came in straight, no flare, collapsed when it hit the ground and then everybody was a passenger. Plane went right and then tumbled over the left wing. I got it from an acquaintance, I'm not sure if it's public public yet. I'm sure it will be soon enough.

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That didn't take long
www.tmz.com

New Video Shows Moment Delta Air Lines Crash Lands at Toronto Airport

New video shows the moment a Delta Air Lines flight crash landed ... and the impact and explosion happened as soon as the plane was wheels down.
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There is another video out there with a better angle. Anyhow I think the plane landed to hard/fast and the landing gear collasped.

Here it is:
globalnews.ca

Here’s the latest on the Delta plane crash at Toronto Pearson airport | Globalnews.ca

Here's what we know so far about the Delta airlines flight that crash landed at Toronto Pearson International Airport, flipping on its roof, injuring several people.
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GreyGhost said:
Are there wind limits for jumping? I guess if wind exceeds your normal forward speed then you are landing backwards which wouldn't end well. Can you trim parachutes for more forward speed?
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Experienced jumpers are really only limited by the aircrafts capabilities. My 230sqft flies at about 25kmh. A 70sqft canopy can be piloted to scream in as fast as the pilot has nerve for. 80kmh is easy. But that's where injuries and fatalities happen.
 
Wingboy said:
Experienced jumpers are really only limited by the aircrafts capabilities. My 230sqft flies at about 25kmh. A 70sqft canopy can be piloted to scream in as fast as the pilot has nerve for. 80kmh is easy. But that's where injuries and fatalities happen.
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70 sq ft? yikes. That's getting dangerously close to jumping while holding on to a sheet of plywood.
 
Ruined my vacation.

First Porter cancelled my flight on Sunday. Bought another flight on weather, cancelled due to chaos from the delta event. Can’t get out till the 28th!

Nice for my kids, they are at my place down south, they got a week under the sun thanks to this mess.
 
Was waiting for Juan Browne to post his own video on the crash... at this point has nothing earth shattering or surprising but perhaps is still a good overview of what we currently know.

 
Something went very wrong on that approach. There was a complete lack of flare - they flew it right into the ground as if they were still on the glide slope.

The investigation report will be interesting.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Something went very wrong on that approach. There was a complete lack of flare - they flew it right into the ground as if they were still on the glide slope.

The investigation report will be interesting.
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Wind shear could make it look no attempt to flare happened. Data will tell.
 
A friend who is a flight attendant sent me this.

Not meant to make light of the situation.

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