YYZ Plane Crash

All the best to all those involved and huge thanks and a high five to all the emergency personnel involved in helping with the situation.


Hate to jinx things but our crash rating at YYZ is pretty good given the circumstances.
No injuries from the Air France crash and now this one.
 
All the best to all those involved and huge thanks and a high five to all the emergency personnel involved in helping with the situation.


Hate to jinx things but our crash rating at YYZ is pretty good given the circumstances.
No injuries from the Air France crash and now this one.
While the emergency response seemed good in both crashes, the biggest factor in people walking away was minimal damage to the fuselage and minimal fire each time. Part of that is decent airport design without huge concrete walls at the end of the runway (cough Muan). Most of it is luck.
 
Not much different than right side up i don't think. Humans are very unpredictable under extreme stress. I see it occasionally in the skydive world. ( the stress part)
Once people are standing on the ceiling, I agree. The tricky part is who pulls their belt first and drops on their head. They can help others fall slower. If two or three adjacent seats pull near the same time, they will land as a tangled mess and increase odds of injury.
 
Video of the crash is circulating. Came in straight, no flare, collapsed when it hit the ground and then everybody was a passenger. Plane went right and then tumbled over the left wing. I got it from an acquaintance, I'm not sure if it's public public yet. I'm sure it will be soon enough.

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That didn't take long
 
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Video of the crash is circulating. Came in straight, no flare, collapsed when it hit the ground and then everybody was a passenger. Plane went right and then tumbled over the left wing. I got it from an acquaintance, I'm not sure if it's public public yet. I'm sure it will be soon enough.

EDIT:
That didn't take long
Is that a correct angle of approach?

Seems like they came in HOT.
 
Is that a correct angle of approach?

Seems like they came in HOT.
TSB will give real answers but from what is available now they were descending over 1000 fpm and should have been <200 and they should have flared and didn't. Hard landing is 240 fpm, over 600 fpm you expect to destroy the plane. Planes landing on an aircraft carrier are designed to hit hard and land at about 700 fpm sink.
 
Video of the crash is circulating. Came in straight, no flare, collapsed when it hit the ground and then everybody was a passenger. Plane went right and then tumbled over the left wing. I got it from an acquaintance, I'm not sure if it's public public yet. I'm sure it will be soon enough.

EDIT:
That didn't take long
Wow. So what is that... distracted pilots? I think they were doing an ILS approach, but I don't know enough about that to understand how that could set them up for this situation.

I was thinking for sure they got hit with a gust and touched a wing down but I'm definitely not seeing that here
 
Wow. So what is that... distracted pilots? I think they were doing an ILS approach, but I don't know enough about that to understand how that could set them up for this situation.

I was thinking for sure they got hit with a gust and touched a wing down but I'm definitely not seeing that here
FO was very very green and in training. Not sure if that is a factor or not.
 
FO was very very green and in training. Not sure if that is a factor or not.
Very expensive training.
Thankfully no casualties to keep count of.
 
Wind will have played a big factor in this crash, gusts on the runway are crazy.
 
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