You made the claim that anyone can earn $100,000/year in this country doing manual labour if they are willing to work hard.
I'm asking you for details and specifics to back this up.
Using google to find minimum wage jobs is easy enough.
Your thoughts on minimum wage
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You made the claim that anyone can earn $100,000/year in this country doing manual labour if they are willing to work hard.
I'm asking you for details and specifics to back this up.
Using google to find minimum wage jobs is easy enough.
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Well, yes sure they could all leave for, as you called it, "friendlier" environment ... but majority never does, and at times they will leave even though you put more into their wealthy pockets. There's more to life than just taxes ....
Alberta, oil sands. I have more than a few old friends that went west and yes they are making 100K+ a year with some OT as more or less general/unskilled labour (no trade, certification or education). This should not be news to anyone. Even with the high cost of living out there they are way a head.
In all cases they were fed-up with the sub $20 an hour work (mostly about min wage actually) with frequent layoffs in Ontario.
eljay
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If you have to ask, then you won't understand. I don't know how to put it any other way. Maybe it's not JUST hard work
The question implies that you lack the innovation and capacity for abstraction that people who pay this much desire from their *******.
To me, making $100k a year is easy, but I'm not willing to do it. I don't need it. I get what I want for less and get more leisure and family time in exchange.
Here's some math: work 12 hours a day, every day 360 days a year (you get 5 weddings/funerals) = 100000/(360*12) = $23/hr.
Shouldn't be hard to do, lot's of people will pay that to avoid doing tons of things. It's a relatively low pay for ***** work. You'll get dirty. You'll stink. You'll be tired and hungry.
So, every time someone (men in particular) complains about their pay and job and lot in life and all that, the above math goes through my head and I lose any potential for pity.
The question implies that you lack the innovation and capacity for abstraction that people who pay this much desire from their *******.
To me, making $100k a year is easy, but I'm not willing to do it. I don't need it. I get what I want for less and get more leisure and family time in exchange.
Here's some math: work 12 hours a day, every day 360 days a year (you get 5 weddings/funerals) = 100000/(360*12) = $23/hr.
Shouldn't be hard to do, lot's of people will pay that to avoid doing tons of things. It's a relatively low pay for ***** work. You'll get dirty. You'll stink. You'll be tired and hungry.
So, every time someone (men in particular) complains about their pay and job and lot in life and all that, the above math goes through my head and I lose any potential for pity.
Riceburner
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I think the benchmark is within a 40 hr work week. Not working every waking hour....or close to it.
That's a whole other argument as well. Do we NEED a 40hr work week? we don't. The economy does. If you're at work all day, then you have less time to do other things, at which point you pay more for the convenience. No time to cook dinner? no problem, go out or order in. Entertainment? no problem, movie theatres and bars galore.
eljay
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ooh now we have constraints... I think the 40hr/wk 100k/yr jobs are pretty few and far between.
Well the original comment is working hard, limiting oneself to 40 hours when OT is on the table is not working hard... While the $23 dollar an hour example may be a little extreme 100K is easily doable in the oil sands with reasonable OT and no education, trade, certification--you just have to work hard. Lots of people are doing it.
Here is an oilsands scenario. 10 days on 4 days off. First 8 hours per day at base pay, 2 hours OT per day. Wage for labour at $40 (give or take).
That works out to 114,400 a year. Basic wage of $35 will get you to just over 100K in this scenario. The catch, you have to be willing to WORK. It may take a couple of years to get to the 100K mark because you may have to start at $30 for no trade, no education, no certification.
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Others have already posted how and where. You can even make 80K easily in the gta, but like i said you have to be willing to work.
General labour at construction sites in a union environment starts around 32-36 an hour. Work 40 hours a week plus 8 hours of overtime a week and you're past 85K.
Dont like the cold/heat and you're too fragile to pick something up? Go grab a truck license and drive to montreal and back 5 days a week. Current rate is approximately 330 per trip x 5 times a week = 85,800$
Do another trip on saturday and thats an additional $15,600
There you go, you're over 100K a year and you don't even have to move from the gta. But people expect it to simply fall in their lap while they're on their iphone surfing on facebook.
My father came here many years ago not knowing a word of english and with nothing to his name. Today he makes well over 100K, yet people who were born here, know the language and have all the opportunity at their footstep are struggling with minimum wage jobs?? :lmao: Lazy, plain and simple.
eljay
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I'm lazy and don't make minimum wage. I think my wife is really lazy too, we both make about the same amount. Not 100k though. What does it all mean?
eljay
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By lazy I didn't mean don't work, I just meant that I don't like to.
AL3RT
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Put together very well. How many beers did it take?
AL3RT
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+1
I tend to notice more successful newcomers who came with nothing and yet managed to make it, oppose to born Canadians with language, connections, family support, etc. who just chose to slack around and take advantage of the social assistance.
Paul, are you calling yourself fragile?
While there are not enough 100k jobs for everyone in Canada there are more 100k jobs than there are people willing to WORK them. There is a labour shortage, one of the reasons they pay so well (basic supply and demand). There are also a bunch of jobs paying 40k, 50k, 60k... plus, I saw one in Alberta paying 23 an hour to park cars! The examples are mind boggling.
We have open jobs paying 100k a year requiring no skills they cannot fill. Even more in the 40k plus range. We have new immigrants that come here with nothing and they build great wealth. Yet we have people whining they can't live on a min wage of less than $15 and the man is kepping them down... it is all about choice.
