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There going ot be a lot more drivers hitting the road. Definitely a time to start giving out smart advice. It's a adrenline biased sport, and everyone is going to be on a SS. It's faux pas here to be on anything else, minus a cruiser.

And it's time to start embracing safety devices on 600cc, like traction control, ABS, anti wheelie tech... These are normal on cars and take years of experience to master without.

Usually l consider the first couple of years the breaking in point. Keeping new riders alive for the period will make a big difference.
 
dragenn said:
There going ot be a lot more drivers hitting the road. Definitely a time to start giving out smart advice. It's a adrenline biased sport, and everyone is going to be on a SS. It's faux pas here to be on anything else, minus a cruiser.

And it's time to start embracing safety devices on 600cc, like traction control, ABS, anti wheelie tech... These are normal on cars and take years of experience to master without.

Usually l consider the first couple of years the breaking in point. Keeping new riders alive for the period will make a big difference.
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As cool as those features are I think it's made drivers worse than anything. Makes driving a car like a video game. Gas, brake, on/off, play with radio. Don't get me wrong, they're great add-ons to cars and now bikes, but should never be replacements for actual driving/riding skill.

knowwhatImean?
 
nfq said:
As cool as those features are I think it's made drivers worse than anything. Makes driving a car like a video game. Gas, brake, on/off, play with radio. Don't get me wrong, they're great add-ons to cars and now bikes, but should never be replacements for actual driving/riding skill.

knowwhatImean?
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I believe ABS should be standard on all bikes, with the ability to switch it off (it should be forced on when you restart the bike though).

I don't agree with the sentiment that 600cc bikes should be allowed for beginners, and that traction control and other tech should be there to save people from themselves. A 600cc supersport is the equivalent of a high-end sports car. When your 0-62 mph time is sub-4 seconds, you are riding a very capable machine. And face it, you wouldn't throw a 16 year old learning how to drive into a Ferrari or Porsche. Nevermind the expense of repairs if he/she crashes it, the sheer power is overwhelming to someone just trying to figure out throttle control and how to drive.

People should be starting on lower horsepower motorcycles. Preferably with ABS.
 
nfq said:
As cool as those features are I think it's made drivers worse than anything. Makes driving a car like a video game. Gas, brake, on/off, play with radio. Don't get me wrong, they're great add-ons to cars and now bikes, but should never be replacements for actual driving/riding skill.

knowwhatImean?
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Nope, because ABS kept me from locking up my brakes until l was able to drive and brake in a way that l wouldnt. When your in that critical moment **** being extreme. We sometimes daze off or unable to fore see potential crashes until it's too late. Real riding skill comes with time not inherited. IM sure our friend thought he could handle an emergency situation and died trying.

Each one of us will have that moment. I may have been able to survive or avoid the same situation but dont assume new drivers will. Inlines are a bike that's easy to get in trouble with, it's getting out thats the hard part.
 
dragenn said:
Nope, because ABS kept me from locking up my brakes until l was able to drive and brake in a way that l wouldnt. When your in that critical moment **** being extreme. We sometimes daze off or unable to fore see potential crashes until it's too late. Real riding skill comes with time not inherited. IM sure our friend thought he could handle an emergency situation and died trying.

Each one of us will have that moment. I may have been able to survive or avoid the same situation but dont assume new drivers will. Inlines are a bike that's easy to get in trouble with, it's getting out thats the hard part.
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if that's the case, take a rest or break from riding/driving until you're focused and composed to do it, otherwise, you're making an excuse.
When I started driving, didn't know what power steering or ABS was, let alone traction control and 97 airbags in a car.

My point is, all the techno gizmo's are great, but if there's too much hand holding, then everything may as well just operate by itself.
 
nfq said:
if that's the case, take a rest or break from riding/driving until you're focused and composed to do it, otherwise, you're making an excuse.
When I started driving, didn't know what power steering or ABS was, let alone traction control and 97 airbags in a car.

My point is, all the techno gizmo's are great, but if there's too much hand holding, then everything may as well just operate by itself.
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You got to be PRATICAL. This isnt theory. My level of dazing off is nowhere as extreme as others. I know how to keep away from disater and im always thinking 2 seconds ahead. When l dazed off im probably down to 1 sec ahead.

The only place a bike should be RAW is at the track. Even then the best racers have advanced tech, but usually easily configured. It's irresponsible to bypass safety for talent. Thats why this is such an extreme sport. No one want to admit thier human; and we make mistakes. When the last time you pulled over in your car once your focus became sub par. You got think of yourself and other on the street.


Also did you know ~30% of single vehicle motorcycle crashes resulted from improper breaking.

...And some food for thought. If we both e-brake at the same time and l get stop 10ft short of you with ABS whose the better braker. Certainly not you. You need to take 10ft off your braking distance before you reclaim that title. Some of these techs make better drivers not worst.
 
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nfq said:
if that's the case, take a rest or break from riding/driving until you're focused and composed to do it, otherwise, you're making an excuse.
When I started driving, didn't know what power steering or ABS was, let alone traction control and 97 airbags in a car.

My point is, all the techno gizmo's are great, but if there's too much hand holding, then everything may as well just operate by itself.
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I know how you feel. First car I drove was an old as Corolla. It had no ABS, no TC and not even airbags. In fact my father got so sick of having a family so he decided to take off the stock wheel (airbagless) and shove on his old Momo wheel that he modded his Peugeot years back.

Itwas the rciest crappy Corolla in the world!
 
If we really wanted to see a decline in motorcycle fatalities we'd all be pushing the minister of transportation to introduce license restrictions like they have in the UK and Europe.

125cc until 21? Crazy eh? Right now, my little cousins at 16 can go get their m1 and buy a zx-14.

I don't like meddling governments deciding what's best for me or anyone else, in fact I hate the idea of a nanny state! But what can you really do to curb the ongoing disregard for personal safety?
 
dragenn said:
You got to be PRATICAL. This isnt theory. My level of dazing off is nowhere as extreme as others. I know how to keep away from disater and im always thinking 2 seconds ahead. When l dazed off im probably down to 1 sec ahead.

The only place a bike should be RAW is at the track. Even then the best racers have advanced tech, but usually easily configured. It's irresponsible to bypass safety for talent. Thats why this is such an extreme sport. No one want to admit thier human; and we make mistakes. When the last time you pulled over in your car once your focus became sub par. You got think of yourself and other on the street.


Also did you know ~30% of single vehicle motorcycle crashes resulted from improper breaking.

...And some food for thought. If we both e-brake at the same time and l get stop 10ft short of you with ABS whose the better braker. Certainly not you. You need to take 10ft off your braking distance before you reclaim that title. Some of these techs make better drivers not worst.
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I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think you're seeing the point I'm trying to make.
The features that once were are now standard and people use them as a crutch.

Look at it this way, based on your own analogy, I need an extra 10ft to stop, fine, but in your mind, since you have the ABS, you now start braking 10ft later because you have that difference?

I agree with what you're saying, but if you make it too easy to drive or too easy to ride, then what?
 
nfq said:
The features that once were are now standard and people use them as a crutch.
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That's the ABS effect. When it first came in people mostly tended to keep longer following distances because they didn't really understand or trust the new magic brake system. The result was a reduction in rear-end collisions.

Then people started thinking it was now safer to follow closer than they might have before because after all, the ABS would save their *** if they needed to stop in a hurry. ABS is great, but it doesn't improve reaction time or overcome the laws of physics. The result was that rear-end collisions started to creep back up in number.
 
turbodish said:
That's the ABS effect. When it first came in people mostly tended to keep longer following distances because they didn't really understand or trust the new magic brake system. The result was a reduction in rear-end collisions.

Then people started thinking it was now safer to follow closer than they might have before because after all, the ABS would save their *** if they needed to stop in a hurry. ABS is great, but it doesn't improve reaction time or overcome the laws of physics. The result was that rear-end collisions started to creep back up in number.
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I get what your saying. I guess common sense is now mistaken for genius nowadays
 
dragenn said:
The only place a bike should be RAW is at the track. Even then the best racers have advanced tech, but usually easily configured. It's irresponsible to bypass safety for talent.
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Since you brought it up... A Moto GP rider recently had an insane highside as he was heading back to the pits after a practice. He had turned off traction control to do a practice start. The traction control resets itself automatically when you gear down. He didn't need to gear down, forgot about this little tidbit, grabbed a handful of throttle and launched himself into the sky because he was so used to the electronics saving him.
 
turbodish said:
That's the ABS effect. When it first came in people mostly tended to keep longer following distances because they didn't really understand or trust the new magic brake system. The result was a reduction in rear-end collisions.

Then people started thinking it was now safer to follow closer than they might have before because after all, the ABS would save their *** if they needed to stop in a hurry. ABS is great, but it doesn't improve reaction time or overcome the laws of physics. The result was that rear-end collisions started to creep back up in number.
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Thanks Turbo. That's what I was trying to say.
 
that guy might as well say hes trying to commit suicide..

I thought that one of the cool things about riding a bike is being able to control the machine, and learn how it works so that you can get the most out of it.
 
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