Windows 8 anyone?
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Easy way of doing things - the Windows way
Don't even get me started on getting a network printer up and running 
Are you serious? Think about it...
Actually, you wouldn't. You would use known exploits to push a rootkit to it, then use it to your heart's content, or just give yourself remote admin rights.
We were talking about Linux.
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Bullplop....
www.futureshop.ca
www.bestbuy.ca
http://jeftek.com/197/large-web-sites-running-on-microsoft-iis/
And I am pretty sure that myspace IS an IIS site...
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/operating_system/all
http://programmers.stackexchange.co...o-so-few-large-websites-run-a-microsoft-stack
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/nginx-takes-2nd-place-in-web-servers-from-microsoft-iis/10101
Don't drink the Kool-aid, your starting to sound like an Apple Fanboy here
PS: I have participated in the building of 1500+ page banking web applications all built on .NET and SQL Server, so you cannot tell me it does not have enterprise value... I won't believe you.
PPS: I have also been privy to a story where a leading GIS company went from Oracle to SQL Server and noticed a 20 fold improvement in their spacial queries... DB's with hundreds of millions of records in them (we are talking geospacial systems, huge data, huge processing power)
They were SO happy with the move to MS, they never looked back again... and saved a TON of money over Oracle.
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Shaman
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Clueless.
Device type: general purpose
Running: Microsoft Windows 2008
OS CPE: cpe:/o:microsoft:windows_server_2008:r2
OS details: Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2, Microsoft Windows Server 2008 SP1
OK, one Windows-centric computer company. Very good. Surprising to me, actually... why go second rate?
Weird 'net response:
TCP/IP fingerprint:
OS:SCAN(V=6.00%E=4%D=11/7%OT=80%CT=53%CU=34894%PV=N%DS=4%DC=I%G=Y%TM=509AD1
OS:54%P=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)SEQ(SP=107%GCD=3%ISR=10B%TI=Z%CI=Z%II=I%TS
OS:=A)OPS(O1=M5B4ST11NW1%O2=M5B4ST11NW1%O3=M5B4NNT11NW1%O4=M5B4ST11NW1%O5=M
OS:5B4ST11NW1%O6=M5B4ST11)WIN(W1=3890%W2=3890%W3=3890%W4=3890%W5=3890%W6=38
OS:90)ECN(R=Y%DF=Y%TG=40%W=3908%O=M5B4NNSNW1%CC=N%Q=)ECN(R=Y%DF=Y%T=3F%W=39
OS:08%O=M5B4NNSNW1%CC=N%Q=)T1(R=Y%DF=Y%TG=40%S=O%A=S+%F=AS%RD=0%Q=)T1(R=Y%D
OS:F=Y%T=3F%S=O%A=S+%F=AS%RD=0%Q=)T2(R=N)T3(R=N)T4(R=Y%DF=Y%TG=40%W=0%S=A%A
OS:=Z%F=R%O=%RD=0%Q=)T4(R=Y%DF=Y%T=3F%W=0%S=A%A=Z%F=R%O=%RD=0%Q=)T5(R=Y%DF=
OS:Y%TG=40%W=0%S=Z%A=S+%F=AR%O=%RD=0%Q=)T5(R=Y%DF=Y%T=3F%W=0%S=Z%A=S+%F=AR%
OS:O=%RD=0%Q=)T6(R=Y%DF=Y%TG=40%W=0%S=A%A=Z%F=R%O=%RD=0%Q=)T6(R=Y%DF=Y%T=3F
OS:%W=0%S=A%A=Z%F=R%O=%RD=0%Q=)T7(R=Y%DF=Y%TG=40%W=0%S=Z%A=S+%F=AR%O=%RD=0%
OS:Q=)T7(R=Y%DF=Y%T=3F%W=0%S=Z%A=S+%F=AR%O=%RD=0%Q=)U1(R=N)U1(R=Y%DF=N%T=3F
OS:%IPL=164%UN=0%RIPL=G%RID=G%RIPCK=G%RUCK=G%RUD=G)IE(R=Y%DFI=N%TG=40%CD=S)
OS:IE(R=Y%DFI=N%T=3F%CD=S)
But definitely not Microsoft. Check "x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu" in second line.
Disagrees with other studies, proves that 85% of statistics are 65% made up.
Doubtful, but it would explain its horribleness. However:
Device type: load balancer
Running (JUST GUESSING): Citrix embedded (90%)
Aggressive OS guesses: Citrix NetScaler load balancer (90%)
No exact OS matches for host (test conditions non-ideal).
NetScalers run their "own OS" which I believe is either a privately extended version of Linux or BSD - most likely BSD. Can't confirm what the origin servers are, but the servers doing a lot of the heavy lifting aren't Windows.
Don't drink the Kool-aid, your starting to sound like an Apple Fanboy here
The last other two articles you listed mostly agree with me.
The way I see it, you're batting 1 out of 6 here. Who's the fanboy again?
I'm not saying you CAN'T do it. Just that you shouldn't. Because it's not the best / smartest / most compatible / most robust / most widely used Internet server operating system environment. And it has costs in licensing.
Don't even THINK about making me try to defend Oracle.
Although what that has to do with the OS, I don't know. Managing Oracle is it's very own career, no matter what OS you choose to run it on. I bet you can find at least five stories that went the opposite way with a quick Google, though. That's the nature of software . . . and opinions.
Bestbuy is MS, unless they are running a .NET ASPX site on something OTHER then MS (highly unlikely) You are probably getting a proxy or some other linux machine in between...
And the statement "you shouldn't" is completely unfounded.
I (as an systems/solution architect) recently moved to an org where everything is J2EE based on mostly AIX WAS (some linux) and let me tell you... what a pile of over built, excessively complicated (for no good reason) junk... I have been there 2 years and still fail to see ANY upside to all that mess... but most of the in place architecture has a fairly old footprint so that does not help.
Granted, we do not have much Linux in house and maybe that is better, but our EA folks does not like free software...
I am not even saying one is better then the other to be honest with you, but this old argument that MS is not robust or scalable, or fit for enterprise usage is bull****... Maybe in NT4 IIS5 days, but they have put allot of focus on the enterprise side of the equation.
And the statement "you shouldn't" is completely unfounded.
I (as an systems/solution architect) recently moved to an org where everything is J2EE based on mostly AIX WAS (some linux) and let me tell you... what a pile of over built, excessively complicated (for no good reason) junk... I have been there 2 years and still fail to see ANY upside to all that mess... but most of the in place architecture has a fairly old footprint so that does not help.
Granted, we do not have much Linux in house and maybe that is better, but our EA folks does not like free software...
I am not even saying one is better then the other to be honest with you, but this old argument that MS is not robust or scalable, or fit for enterprise usage is bull****... Maybe in NT4 IIS5 days, but they have put allot of focus on the enterprise side of the equation.
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Probably a 'nix based firewall appliance.
Shaman
Well-known member
Let me get this straight........ you're complaining about poorly written apps... on what sounds to be a poorly designed, old platform. And this has something to do with the OS that it's on ... granted I don't like AIX much, but still... that's reaching. Also, you keep talking about applications which are internal and run on Oracle and J2EE... which seem to have little relation to Internet services.
Just FYI I have been in the computer business for 30 years, ran a 10 line BBS out of my bedroom (in 1989!) throughout college and have three different companies, one of which is a (primarily wireless) ISP with many thousands of web customers - 80 on two Windows ASP systems and the rest on three LAMP systems. Through my IT company (founded in 1995) I have built healthcare systems from the ground up on Windows (sadly) and have seen first-hand just what a crappy OS it can be to debug and maintain, despite having what appear to be class-leading directory tools. Thankfully, most of their apps are starting to go web-enabled!
Is it wrong to pine for the days of Netware 3 and *NIX where everything was simple?
Then again, I had to create my own tools to run my ISP back in 1994, practically everything was either non-existent or in its earliest days. I remember switching NCSA browser for Mozilla 0.5 back in ... '95? And thinking how incredible it was to be able to flow text around graphics with HTML.
And while I'm swinging dick, my Slashdot ID is 1148.
So. Yeah. Let's stop arguing?
Just FYI I have been in the computer business for 30 years, ran a 10 line BBS out of my bedroom (in 1989!) throughout college and have three different companies, one of which is a (primarily wireless) ISP with many thousands of web customers - 80 on two Windows ASP systems and the rest on three LAMP systems.
Through my IT company (founded in 1995) I have built healthcare systems from the ground up on Windows (sadly) and have seen first-hand just what a crappy OS it can be to debug and maintain, despite having what appear to be class-leading directory tools. Thankfully, most of their apps are starting to go web-enabled!Is it wrong to pine for the days of Netware 3 and *NIX where everything was simple?
Then again, I had to create my own tools to run my ISP back in 1994, practically everything was either non-existent or in its earliest days. I remember switching NCSA browser for Mozilla 0.5 back in ... '95? And thinking how incredible it was to be able to flow text around graphics with HTML. And while I'm swinging dick, my Slashdot ID is 1148.
So. Yeah. Let's stop arguing?
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http://trends.builtwith.com/topsites/IIS-7
Interesting Read.
http://highscalability.com/plentyoffish-architecture
I am not arguing with you, I am just trying to defy the stereotype that MS is "not enterprise"
Interesting Read.
http://highscalability.com/plentyoffish-architecture
I am not arguing with you, I am just trying to defy the stereotype that MS is "not enterprise"
Let me get this straight........ you're complaining about poorly written apps... on what sounds to be a poorly designed, old platform. And this has something to do with the OS that it's on ... granted I don't like AIX much, but still... that's reaching. Also, you keep talking about applications which are internal and run on Oracle and J2EE... which seem to have little relation to Internet services.
Just FYI I have been in the computer business for 30 years, ran a 10 line BBS out of my bedroom (in 1989!) throughout college and have three different companies, one of which is a (primarily wireless) ISP with many thousands of web customers - 80 on two Windows ASP systems and the rest on three LAMP systems.
Is it wrong to pine for the days of Netware 3 and *NIX where everything was simple?
And while I'm swinging dick, my Slashdot ID is 1148.
So. Yeah. Let's stop arguing?
Are you part of NexJ by any chance?
Shaman
Well-known member
No. I started up my companies from the ground up. My first CSLIP server was on Linux 0.93C Slackware and later a SPARC 10 with two 16-port serial SBUS cards to support PPP. Then a move to Xylogics terminal servers - 64 ports each. About two years of that and the 56K modems were in force, so we had to switch platforms again, this time to Ascend communications servers.
etc. etc.
Anyway... wow on PlentyOfFish. Using 200Mbps and needing at least five servers to do that... hahaha that's pretty pathetic, to be honest. I have two dual quadcore systems with 12 drives and 48GB memory each serving out approximately 240Mbps between them, at a load value of 0.4 (meaning about 8% load using morning math) to about 1.3. This is with about 3.5TB of data between the two and about 50GB of database memory in use at any time, shovelling out web pages.
Here's what a hard-working Linux box doing that looks like:
Around 5,000 connections presently established (not waiting, not closed)
--
charon:~# netstat -n | grep EST | wc
5299 31794 423920
charon:~# uptime
09:14:27 up 1 day, 11:47, 1 user, load average: 0.28, 0.36, 0.33
--
Rebooted to get latest kernel in... bug in EXT4 nearly impossible to trigger, but I'm paranoid.
--
And it wouldn't be complete without a top readout:
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Tasks: 141 total, 2 running, 139 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu0 : 0.0 us, 1.1 sy, 0.0 ni, 98.9 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu1 : 0.0 us, 0.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 98.9 id, 1.1 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu2 : 1.1 us, 1.1 sy, 0.0 ni, 94.5 id, 1.1 wa, 0.0 hi, 2.2 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu3 : 0.0 us, 0.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 97.8 id, 2.2 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu4 : 0.0 us, 1.1 sy, 0.0 ni, 96.7 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 2.2 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu5 : 0.0 us, 0.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 98.9 id, 1.1 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu6 : 0.0 us, 1.1 sy, 0.0 ni, 97.8 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 1.1 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu7 : 0.0 us, 0.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 95.7 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 4.3 si, 0.0 st
KiB Mem: 49311796 total, 49089072 used, 222724 free, 9167528 buffers
KiB Swap: 0 total, 0 used, 0 free, 18561872 cached
--
Windows people don't know what scalability *is*.
Oh, BTW:
www.gtamotorcycle.com
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Device type: general purpose
Running: Linux 2.6.X
OS CPE: cpe:/o:linux:kernel:2.6
OS details: Linux 2.6.9 - 2.6.27
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(and just for kicks, I just discovered that Linux 3.5+ confuses nmap, looks like the one above for bestbuy.ca)
etc. etc.
Anyway... wow on PlentyOfFish. Using 200Mbps and needing at least five servers to do that... hahaha that's pretty pathetic, to be honest.
I have two dual quadcore systems with 12 drives and 48GB memory each serving out approximately 240Mbps between them, at a load value of 0.4 (meaning about 8% load using morning math) to about 1.3. This is with about 3.5TB of data between the two and about 50GB of database memory in use at any time, shovelling out web pages. Here's what a hard-working Linux box doing that looks like:
Around 5,000 connections presently established (not waiting, not closed)
--
charon:~# netstat -n | grep EST | wc
5299 31794 423920
charon:~# uptime
09:14:27 up 1 day, 11:47, 1 user, load average: 0.28, 0.36, 0.33
--
Rebooted to get latest kernel in... bug in EXT4 nearly impossible to trigger, but I'm paranoid.
--
And it wouldn't be complete without a top readout:
--
Tasks: 141 total, 2 running, 139 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu0 : 0.0 us, 1.1 sy, 0.0 ni, 98.9 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu1 : 0.0 us, 0.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 98.9 id, 1.1 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu2 : 1.1 us, 1.1 sy, 0.0 ni, 94.5 id, 1.1 wa, 0.0 hi, 2.2 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu3 : 0.0 us, 0.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 97.8 id, 2.2 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu4 : 0.0 us, 1.1 sy, 0.0 ni, 96.7 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 2.2 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu5 : 0.0 us, 0.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 98.9 id, 1.1 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu6 : 0.0 us, 1.1 sy, 0.0 ni, 97.8 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 1.1 si, 0.0 st
%Cpu7 : 0.0 us, 0.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 95.7 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 4.3 si, 0.0 st
KiB Mem: 49311796 total, 49089072 used, 222724 free, 9167528 buffers
KiB Swap: 0 total, 0 used, 0 free, 18561872 cached
--
Windows people don't know what scalability *is*.
Oh, BTW:
www.gtamotorcycle.com
--
Device type: general purpose
Running: Linux 2.6.X
OS CPE: cpe:/o:linux:kernel:2.6
OS details: Linux 2.6.9 - 2.6.27
--
(and just for kicks, I just discovered that Linux 3.5+ confuses nmap, looks like the one above for bestbuy.ca)
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Shaman
Well-known member
More relevant:
http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Big-Hidden-Windows-8-Feature-BuiltIn-Advertising/
I'm not sure I mentioned it before, too lazy to check. But yeah, there are ads in Windows 8. In the apps you paid for.
Not only that, but it forces you (as far as I can tell) to give it a working e-mail address and set up a Live account when you install. Or upgrade. That way, they can track you and target ads to you. And they get a record of what you install.
http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Big-Hidden-Windows-8-Feature-BuiltIn-Advertising/
I'm not sure I mentioned it before, too lazy to check. But yeah, there are ads in Windows 8. In the apps you paid for.
Not only that, but it forces you (as far as I can tell) to give it a working e-mail address and set up a Live account when you install. Or upgrade. That way, they can track you and target ads to you. And they get a record of what you install.
You can make a local account... Signing in with your email/live account is optional.
