he is trolling, no one can be that obtuse
Will Ontario Follow? Wishful thinking
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Difference between getting hit by a car at 100kph vs 120kph is just a shorter amount of time to feel the pain. Very small chance of surviving either way. Sure you can stop faster from 100...but that's assuming the driver is paying attention.
Shaman
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A higher average speed on the highway - pay attention now - leads to LOWER CONGESTION. It is a direct relationship. What gets people in accidents is primarily - you guessed it - CONGESTION. That is too many vehicles together, and too close by. This is true of the majority of vehicle accidents at speed.
When the speed limit went down, accidents increased. This was a major factor and has been identified as such in numerous studies. But insurance companies don't like the idea, and police want to have a reason to stop people whenever they want for whatever arbitrary reason they want... and there are careers with bonuses to think of...
It's been years since I last posted about it, but Texas, Italy, Germany and other countries have much higher speed limits for a reason - because studies and then practical experience have shown that the higher limits led to... that's right... lower congestion, which led to lower accident rates. There is also the attention factor - at a reasonable speed, the drivers' attention is on the road and not on other things, daydreaming, etc.
When the speed limit went down, accidents increased. This was a major factor and has been identified as such in numerous studies. But insurance companies don't like the idea, and police want to have a reason to stop people whenever they want for whatever arbitrary reason they want... and there are careers with bonuses to think of...
It's been years since I last posted about it, but Texas, Italy, Germany and other countries have much higher speed limits for a reason - because studies and then practical experience have shown that the higher limits led to... that's right... lower congestion, which led to lower accident rates. There is also the attention factor - at a reasonable speed, the drivers' attention is on the road and not on other things, daydreaming, etc.
daught
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Even if the difference in survival is one in a million, is it worth killing that one person? Do you really have to get home five minutes earlier so you start polishing your guns while watching swamp people?
Yes, but speed limits are only part of the problem here. The majority of congestion (except during peak rush hours, because the sheer volume is the problem then) and traffic jams are due to poor driver education and awareness. Drive in the States, or places like Italy and Germany and you find the drivers there stick to the right lanes, with the leftmost (or rightmost, in the UK) lane almost always clear. Here you get people camping in the left lanes at or below regular traffic flow because somehow "keep right except to pass" is an incredibly difficult and incomprehensible concept. :banghead:
While I'll agree about drivers in Europe being more educated on the roads and easing congestion by doing such things as keeping to the right (or left depending on country) to keep the passing lane clear, this is NOT my experience in the US. Down there, just like here, people will be camped out in the left lane forever, even when there isn't another car for miles.
We just happen to have some of the worlds worst drivers in Ontario, pretty sure that`s a fact. The Toronto infrastructure is made for roughly 1.5 million people, instead they have around 3.5 - 4 million or so now. Raising the speed limit is pretty much the only thing you can do to help keep the congestion down.
daught
Well-known member
Lol on a serious note, I love how the average north american cars have a lot more power than the average european cars but people take for ever to get moving from a red light. Advance green for left turns are the worst. In europe you would have at least twice as many cars going through an advanced left turn green.
Shaman
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This is entirely true. Here in Kingston I often find myself driving 30km/h down 40' wide streets, and leaving stop lights behind other drivers at idle until I hit the other side of the intersection. WTF, people?!
..and this is what happens stateside.
daught
Well-known member
Except our government...
So we should reduce speed limits in order to save lives? Because 80kph impact is much safer than 100kph right? Wasn't there something in the news recently that all speed limits in Toronto should be lowered to make it safer for pedestrians? I disagree with it, but hey that's just me.
Ktown has become retirement central. Bucks and Cadillacs reign supreme.
Snobike Mike
Banned
Ah, the "if it only saves 1 life" argument. You understand the logical conclusion to your position is to ban virtually everything? There isn't much in modern life that wouldn't save 1 life if it was in fact un-invented. Are you truly going to practice what you preach and completely give up your first world life to potentially save 1 person (for which you personally had no direct or even indirect part in their death)?
^This. driver education/skill is the biggest problem. cars naturally travel at 120 on the highways already until that idiot who is about to miss their exit makes 3 lane sudden lane changes to the right so they can make it and forces everyone behind them to brake.
daught
Well-known member
No that's your ridiculously illogical conclusion. We can live without some things to save lives, while others are necessary. Lowering the highway speed to 60KM/h and ENFORCING it would surely reduce deaths.
Roomie
Banned
I disagree. You think we have road rage issues now... slow down traffic.
LOL great idea. Make sure you start a petition and get some signatures to move towards law.
