Miata!
Why don't car enthusiasts complain about 'nannies?' Or do they!?
- Thread starter Evoex
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Dirty Frank
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The feedback that you get behind the controls in a newer Jeep wrangler when you get a little feisty cornering are downright spooky.
It is unnerving enough that it acts like a governor for my driving it is something that i want to avoid.
Then i hop into the old TJ for grins.
FWIW the first generation TJ Rubicons came without even anti-lock
Mad Mike
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Ok...Miata with a hellcat motor swap..or wait..someone is doing V8 swap kits now..
Or just grab an ftype with the supercharged V6, its offered in manual for both vert and coupe .
Snow donuts in a parking lot are just good simple fun.
As for skills, I'm good. 30 years (this March) in the commercial driving industry, driving every thing from 34 wheelers to 10 wheelers and pretty much everything in between, all without a major accident, ever. Go for a drive on some nice open snow covered roads with 100kph winds going 90 degrees across them and you get to experience all sorts of fun things that need skills to avoid ending up in the rhubarb. Skills still matter in this industry as although there are some electronic aids that have become standard kit, no system in the world (yet anyways) is able to handle that sort of situation I mentioned, but for one example.
Try that in a 911 and see how for into the rhubarb you can get
Especially on a Ural. I'm ashamed of myself. Didn't get the Ural rustproofed in the fall, and the rear tire is bald. Good grief. I'm retired and i don't know how i found time to work?
Mad Mike
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Couldn’t be any worse than my 70 D100 440. I scrubbed off a few sets of tires while staying out of the rhubarb.
I think car drivers that learned in the 70s had to develop skills that cars look after today. Staying out of the rhubarb wasn’t easy back then.
Wanna bet?
... which is sorta the basis of the complaining about "nannies"... no?
... and why the 911 will always be used as an example in this discussion, 911s are notoriously hard to drive FAST. You can get your 911 to 75-80% safely and easily... that last 20% requires balling up a couple or three 911s for practice. We were all taught to take your foot off the gas and steer into the slide... right? A 911 keeps going round, then you over correct and you're in the rhubarb... AGAIN. They ALWAYS back into the corner, ALWAYS. Old VW beetles do the same thing in snow
The new ones ya hang it to the mat and hope for the best, the traction control will take care of it.
Driving an old 911 (I'm using the designation loosely; any of the air cooled rear engine cars) and riding a 2 stroke FAST both require a LOT more talent and if you don't have the talent, they BITE... HARD
Keyword here is "old" 911.
911s have not been vulnerable to snap oversteer since the introduction of the water-cooled 996s over 25 years ago. The weight distribution of the newer cars are a lot more balanced as the rear engine was moved closer to centre, and the use of wider rear wheels and fatter rubber, in relation to the fronts, meant more rear grip to keep the car tracking inline, even when you abruptly let off the gas mid-corner.
How do you define "enthusiast"?
The knob hangin' out at timmie's, dissing everything that isn't a BMW?
In the racing world, you can usually find a class for what ever level of "nannies" you want. In drag racing there are tiers of "nannies" (I always ran "NO BOX"... no turbos, no power adders, no electric shifter, no EFI... BIG motor, one carb: hold it to the mat and PRAY)
In motorcycle racing: (in my mind) the VRRA period 4 or 5 classes could be considered a modern "no box" class, the only meaningful difference to a modern bike is the electronics
I knew a lady that was into Porsches... she REALLY wanted a "whale tail" when she was younger. Last time I talked to her she had 6 or 7; a 964/4, a 957, and this REALLY cool twin turbo thing ( a tribute to some race car, it's WILD) and at least one GT3. We got her into doing track days. She bought a first gen NSX to do track days.
The knob hangin' out at timmie's, dissing everything that isn't a BMW?
In the racing world, you can usually find a class for what ever level of "nannies" you want. In drag racing there are tiers of "nannies" (I always ran "NO BOX"... no turbos, no power adders, no electric shifter, no EFI... BIG motor, one carb: hold it to the mat and PRAY)
In motorcycle racing: (in my mind) the VRRA period 4 or 5 classes could be considered a modern "no box" class, the only meaningful difference to a modern bike is the electronics
I knew a lady that was into Porsches... she REALLY wanted a "whale tail" when she was younger. Last time I talked to her she had 6 or 7; a 964/4, a 957, and this REALLY cool twin turbo thing ( a tribute to some race car, it's WILD) and at least one GT3. We got her into doing track days. She bought a first gen NSX to do track days.
Now? They were doing 5.0 swaps 25 years ago.
Relax
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Yup, I still remember when the Monster Miata came out. Was touted as a modern Shelby Cobra.
Pshaw... an LS makes everything better... and a turbo makes all LS's better... TWO turbos even better... for those that want an atomic powered rollerskate
Yeah, I knew a woman that autocrossed a 5L swap back in '00. She said it was almost plug and play with the aftermarket mounts.
Jag has something similar...looking forward to trying it in the spring. My rally group looks for be heading back south for May two four weekend!
Mad Mike
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Explore "Configurable Dynamics' on your Jag.
I've glanced at the screen once. Haven't used it as I picked it up at the end of october with 7 year old worn cup 2 tires...
But yeah, it seems very similar to the configuration available in my Merc AMG.
I splurged on a 10.25" head unit upgrade...it was twice the price of the piggy back systems using the stock screen..but there's an annoying bug that these piggy back systems glitch out if you change any Dynamic Mode setting away from factory. Worth it to be able to adjust everything, imo.
