What would you do if this happened to you while you were riding?

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Brian P said:
I have the video frozen on my screen right now. 18 seconds in is when the nose of the Camry first pokes out from between the grey Civic and the white SUV. Between the grey Civic and the beige car in front of it, the body of the Camry is fully blocked from view.

One second later the car is fully visible with its nose halfway into the OP's lane. Around that time is when the OP hit the brakes. (One second of reaction time in this situation is not unreasonable.) Impact occurs 20 seconds into the video with the car about two-thirds-ish across the OP's lane.

I doubt if most of the Monday morning quarterbacks would have actually avoided it ...
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This Quarterback would have caught it, because i've witnessed this exact situation a millions times, the minute you see a gap inbetween traffic in busy retail/commercial areas with lots of driveways, expect that someone is trying to pull in, be ready, be prepared. Thankfuly i've developed these instincts to be alert in these situtations from riding, I'm always watching, always.

People that are in accidents aren't ready to act, they're not paying attention, not driving defensively, if you are 9/10 times you can avoid it.
 
Alvito said:
Just because the wheels don't lock up, doesn't mean the driver wasn't braking. I would know. I was the driver... :(
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you should rethink driving and riding altogether, not just in the city, no offence but your reaction time sucks
 
Brian P said:
For all the "just stay in the right lane, you'll avoid this happening" ...

http://barrie.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=576434&playlistId=1.2293393&binId=1.1272429&playlistPageNum=1
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9/10 most accidents can be avoided, trucks falling from the sky aren't common and of course isn't something you can prepare for given it's probably 1 billion chances of happening. OP's accident, happens EVERYDAY. I work in Scarborough, McCowan/Shepard area, there's a plaza with a Canadian Tire in it, busy intersection with a lot of traffic coming in and out of there, at least once a week, some dumb *** pulls the same manuever as the Camry, blindly inching their way into traffic, and dumbasses are completely blind to the fact of those driveways and the traffic coming in and out, and bam, accident.


Intersections and driveways are accidents waiting to happen, be alert, be prepared, and your likely to avoid it.
 
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mbroyda said:
you should rethink driving and riding altogether, not just in the city, no offence but your reaction time sucks
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Really? It was less than a second before he braked... I guess your reaction times better than that eh?
Just like the real world, everyone on here thinks they're the best driver. Get real.


"You lost 15 friends on motorcycles? and you have only been riding since 2008? was this a group ride that fell off a cliff or are you being serious?"-ZX600
 
Umm, you just reminded me of the Roti house near your work... damn now I am hungry
SONIC said:
9/10 most accidents can be avoided, trucks falling from the sky aren't common and of course isn't something you can prepare for given it's probably 1 billion chances of happening. OP's accident, happens EVERYDAY. I work in Scarborough, McCowan/Shepard area, there's a plaza with a Canadian Tire in it, busy intersection with a lot of traffic coming in and out of there, at least once a week, some dumb *** pulls the same manuever as the Camry, blindly inching their way into traffic, and dumbasses are completely blind to the fact of those driveways and the traffic coming in and out, and bam, accident.


Intersections and driveways are accidents waiting to happen, be alert, be prepared, and your likely to avoid it.
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Iceman said:
Really? It was less than a second before he braked... I guess your reaction times better than that eh?
Just like the real world, everyone on here thinks they're the best driver. Get real.


"You lost 15 friends on motorcycles? and you have only been riding since 2008? was this a group ride that fell off a cliff or are you being serious?"-ZX600
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car appears at 0:18, impact happens at 0:20 how is that less than a second??

When you ask for an opinion on a public forum, I will give you my opinion.....also to answer the original question if that would happen to me while I was riding I would swerve....that's also what I would do if I was driving
 
So this is an example of what we are trying to illustrate here

Driver was at fault because he was caught in the middle of an intersection and then advanced without due care.... but the rider was extremely stupid even if he 'legally' was in the right to advance with the green light

[video=youtube;0q_o0QKTi-4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q_o0QKTi-4[/video]
 
SONIC said:
haha, best in the city hands down. Try Island spice right next door, best Jamaican jerk around too!
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Not much of a jerk man... well I am a jerk but just don't like to eat it.
 
ZX600 said:
So this is an example of what we are trying to illustrate here

Driver was at fault because he was caught in the middle of an intersection and then advanced without due care.... but the rider was extremely stupid even if he 'legally' was in the right to advance with the green light

[video=youtube;0q_o0QKTi-4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q_o0QKTi-4[/video]
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Huh? The driver of the car could be cited for being stuck in the intersection after the light changed, but the motorcycle should not have continued until the intersection was clear of the trapped traffic. I would put that crash as being at least as much the fault of the rider as of the car's driver. The rider was a flaming idiot.
 
You missed the point of my post
griff2 said:
Huh? The driver of the car could be cited for being stuck in the intersection after the light changed, but the motorcycle should not have continued until the intersection was clear of the trapped traffic. I would put that crash as being at least as much the fault of the rider as of the car's driver. The rider was a flaming idiot.
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ZX600 said:
So this is an example of what we are trying to illustrate here

Driver was at fault because he was caught in the middle of an intersection and then advanced without due care.... but the rider was extremely stupid even if he 'legally' was in the right to advance with the green light
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In that situation, if I were on the bike, I probably would have advanced up to just before that gap between the two cars and then made eye contact with the driver before proceeding through the gap at low speed (10 km/h) ...
 
Brian P said:
In that situation, if I were on the bike, I probably would have advanced up to just before that gap between the two cars and then made eye contact with the driver before proceeding through the gap at low speed (10 km/h) ...
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Exactly, you would have exercised caution after analyzing the situation - some of us feel the same way about the OP experience on that accident, he should have analysed traffic and driven accordingly. Others have a different opinion and don't see him as been at fault at all. This is why this is a forum and no one is wrong according to themselves :)
 
Brian P said:
You forgot that he got about a second of braking in.
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Yep, thank you. I am a professional driver, with numerous heavy truck courses, including advanced avoidance and defensive driving. Not saying that I personally set the bar, but I doubt my reflexes would have been any quicker. I may or may not have swerved around, dunno until it happens.
As for everyone in Toronto all staying in the right lane, don't be an asshat, it's just not realistic.


"You lost 15 friends on motorcycles? and you have only been riding since 2008? was this a group ride that fell off a cliff or are you being serious?"-ZX600
 
Brian P said:
In that situation, if I were on the bike, I probably would have advanced up to just before that gap between the two cars and then made eye contact with the driver before proceeding through the gap at low speed (10 km/h) ...
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+1

Seeing these boneheaded crashes is making me less worried about my odds of a crippling incident. That was ridiculously preventable.
 
Iceman said:
Yep, thank you. I am a professional driver, with numerous heavy truck courses, including advanced avoidance and defensive driving. Not saying that I personally set the bar, but I doubt my reflexes would have been any quicker. I may or may not have swerved around, dunno until it happens.
As for everyone in Toronto all staying in the right lane, don't be an ******, it's just not realistic.


"You lost 15 friends on motorcycles? and you have only been riding since 2008? was this a group ride that fell off a cliff or are you being serious?"-ZX600
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Wow, you claim you are a professional driver? You claim that the video poster didn't do anything wrong. When you took advanced avoidance and defensive driver training were you sleeping? What advanced driver training program states that you shouldn't slow down or move away from a potentially dangerous situation. Let us know the name of the organization which trained you so that we can avoid it as they are a scam.
 
If any of these Monday morning quarterbacks, some of whom deny that they are Monday morning quarterbacks, EVER have the slightest crash or tip-over that gets reported on here, there is gonna be trouble ...

You cannot foresee everything, you cannot eliminate all risk, you cannot eliminate all human error including your own. You can certainly make an effort, but life is not perfect.
 
Lets say the driver at the last second does in fact swerve to the right lane and in doing so avoids the front end impact all together which allows the driver to complete the left turn and heading off like nothing happened, but.... Manages to hit (side swipe) another vehicle in his blind spot in the right lane while swerving ?

Your avoiding one accident and creating another.... Just thinking maybe the driver is like F this, your in the fault and are taking full responsibility....
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