We Know you Ride, But do you Shoot?

[coyo]

Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?

Were you a tanker in a previous life?

There is an exploded artillery gun in the War Museum in Ottawa, impressive and devastating at the same time. Post a pic when you have the chance

I was; Royal Canadian Dragoons for 11 years. When that gun exploded it went just like a gun barrel on a Road Runner cartoon when While E put his finger in the barrel; all split at the muzzle. I was right behind it when it blew; spectacular.

 

[Triple]

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Where are those???!!! I've pumped a "few" of those down range.

They sell them here at Princess Auto in Hamilton. I was tempted to buy a few, but I just don't have the space.
On the topic of 105mm artillery shells, I have a former military friend that used to polish the spent casings and make lamps out of them. Quite nice. Wish I had one for my gun room!

 

[FiReSTaRT]

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Just wanted to announce that I'm a proud owner of a gently-used Supernova.. Already ordered a +6 extension for her and as soon as I sort out the stock, she'll be a competent IPSC gun

 

[Triple]

Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?

Just wanted to announce that I'm a proud owner of a gently-used Supernova.. Already ordered a +6 extension for her and as soon as I sort out the stock, she'll be a competent IPSC gun

No pics? I didn't happen

 

[FiReSTaRT]

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No pics? I didn't happen

Lol.. Will snap some.. Just juggling a lot on my plate.. Had to make sure the AR is ready for this weekend, need some cleaning supplies (don't have any patches for the 12ga as it's my first shotty) and wanna clean up the stock a bit because I'll be looking to exchange it for a non-pistol grip (faster reloads in action shooting).

 

[coyo]

Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?

Were you a tanker in a previous life?

There is an exploded artillery gun in the War Museum in Ottawa, impressive and devastating at the same time. Post a pic when you have the chance

Not sure what exactly you want a pic of.

Here's one of the 105mm casings from the Leopard C1 along with a belt of four 25mm casings from the Coyote and the mentioned barrel slice;

And a close up of the aprox 1/2" slice from the 19' long, 2800 lb L7A1 105mm tank gun;

I can't seem to find pics from the day of the incident, although I know they're around here somewhere!

 

[RockerGuy]

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Not sure what exactly you want a pic of.

Here's one of the 105mm casings from the Leopard C1 along with a belt of four 25mm casings from the Coyote and the mentioned barrel slice;

And a close up of the aprox 1/2" slice from the 19' long, 2800 lb L7A1 105mm tank gun;

I can't seem to find pics from the day of the incident, although I know they're around here somewhere!

I was looking for the exploded barrel. Nice pics nevertheless. I bet you won't be firing a 105mm soon, lol. Would love to fire one of those.

They fire a few of those at Queen's Park during remembrance day. Not sure if its 75mm or what. You feel the ground move lol

 

[coyo]

Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?

I was looking for the exploded barrel. Nice pics nevertheless. I bet you won't be firing a 105mm soon, lol. Would love to fire one of those.

They fire a few of those at Queen's Park during remembrance day. Not sure if its 75mm or what. You feel the ground move lol

I'll look for the exploded barrel pics when I get a chance.

The Queen's Park firings are artillery pieces but just the bag charge with no projectile.

Moving across country with full-stab and getting 1st round hits km's away is amazing. The new Canadian Leopard 2 is faster and more accurate; I never got the opportunity to crew one.

As for not being able to fire a 105mm soon, you're right as they've just retired the Leopard 1 out in Gagetown... however last year a well placed friend got me a seat on a C17 out of Pearson and off to a firepower demo with trigger time on the 120mm Leopard 2. Unfortunately I had a family emergency that saw me have to cancel. He's gonna try again for me. Fingers are crossed.

 

[RockerGuy]

Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?

I'll look for the exploded barrel pics when I get a chance.

The Queen's Park firings are artillery pieces but just the bag charge with no projectile.

Moving across country with full-stab and getting 1st round hits km's away is amazing. The new Canadian Leopard 2 is faster and more accurate; I never got the opportunity to crew one.

As for not being able to fire a 105mm soon, you're right as they've just retired the Leopard 1 out in Gagetown... however last year a well placed friend got me a seat on a C17 out of Pearson and off to a firepower demo with trigger time on the 120mm Leopard 2. Unfortunately I had a family emergency that saw me have to cancel. He's gonna try again for me. Fingers are crossed.

I'd assume they had no projectiles just for our safety lol. Is it as loud without a projectile?

Fully aware of the capabilities of those guns. When the Americans were invading Omaha beach in France they were bombarded by guns at least 50 kms away. It was hidden in a small village which the Americans later discovered.

The Nazis had the biggest gun at the time & it was freshly in service. I believe it can fire from one country to another. This was before missiles were accurate. They made a whole movie about that. It was "Dirty Dozen" I believe.

But yeh, firing those guns at those distances require a bit of math. I'm sure there are computers now. Maybe you can enlighten us.

Oh yeh, wasn't aware they decommissioned the 105. Doesn't the American still have it in their AC120?

 

[coyo]

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I can only speak for tank gunnery fire control systems and yes, it is all computerized. In the Leopard C1 it was a multi-step process to hit a moving target that involved the gunner to laze for distance and track for moving and re-apply the gun lay each time all the while the computer is accounting for wind, temperature, humidity, type of ammo, barrel droop to name a few. An accurate system for sure... but then the Leopard 1C2 came and it's all "laze and blaze"; lay the crosshairs on the target and pull the triggers. The FCS then lazes, tracks, adjusts for all the variable then it fires. Advance to the Canadian Leopard 2 120mm and its FCS and it's arguably the most deadly tank platform on the planet right now. These systems are gyro-controlled so that the gun platform remains stable regardless of what the hull is doing or going allowing for 1st round hits at range while bombing x-country. Of course, all this is able to be employed using simple periscope back up sights with manual crank control and firing mechanisms should the other systems get taken out.

By retiring I was talking about the Canadian Leopard 1C2. The gun on that, L7A1, is employed all over the world as the most popular 105mm tank gun in western countries.

The AC130 uses a M102 105mm Howitzer; an artillery piece. The L7A1 is likely too long at 19 feet long where the M102 is 11 feet.

I'd assume they had no projectiles just for our safety lol. Is it as loud without a projectile?

Fully aware of the capabilities of those guns. When the Americans were invading Omaha beach in France they were bombarded by guns at least 50 kms away. It was hidden in a small village which the Americans later discovered.

The Nazis had the biggest gun at the time & it was freshly in service. I believe it can fire from one country to another. This was before missiles were accurate. They made a whole movie about that. It was "Dirty Dozen" I believe.

But yeh, firing those guns at those distances require a bit of math. I'm sure there are computers now. Maybe you can enlighten us.

Oh yeh, wasn't aware they decommissioned the 105. Doesn't the American still have it in their AC120?

 

[mmmnaked]

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An accurate system for sure... but then the Leopard 1C2 came and it's all "laze and blaze"; lay the crosshairs on the target and pull the triggers. The FCS then lazes, tracks, adjusts for all the variable then it fires.

How much time between pulling the trigger and the computers firing the gun?

 

[coyo]

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How much time between pulling the trigger and the computers firing the gun?

If I remember correctly, up to 2 seconds but that's on the VERY HIGH side (I've crewed the Leo 1, not the 2 but have many friends that do). In many cases it's waiting for the gun to catch up. In the Leo 1 the gyro stability system kept the gun always on target where the Leo 2 gun may lag just slightly which puts less stress on the system (the sights are fully gyro-stabilized all the time). When the trigger is pulled, the FCS calculates the solution (very quick), applies the final lay to put the gun on target then fires.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

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No pics? I didn't happen

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Still wanna trade the stock for a Comfortech (no pistol grip) and the mag extension just shipped from AZ today

 

[coyo]

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Oh, that's nice!

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Still wanna trade the stock for a Comfortech (no pistol grip) and the mag extension just shipped from AZ today

 

[FiReSTaRT]

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Oh, that's nice!

Only taken on a couple of hunts (got bits of twigs cleaned out of it to prove it lol), but the seller wasn't very online ad-savvy, so I got a pretty big discount over new on her

 

[RockerGuy]

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I can only speak for tank gunnery fire control systems and yes, it is all computerized. In the Leopard C1 it was a multi-step process to hit a moving target that involved the gunner to laze for distance and track for moving and re-apply the gun lay each time all the while the computer is accounting for wind, temperature, humidity, type of ammo, barrel droop to name a few. An accurate system for sure... but then the Leopard 1C2 came and it's all "laze and blaze"; lay the crosshairs on the target and pull the triggers. The FCS then lazes, tracks, adjusts for all the variable then it fires. Advance to the Canadian Leopard 2 120mm and its FCS and it's arguably the most deadly tank platform on the planet right now. These systems are gyro-controlled so that the gun platform remains stable regardless of what the hull is doing or going allowing for 1st round hits at range while bombing x-country. Of course, all this is able to be employed using simple periscope back up sights with manual crank control and firing mechanisms should the other systems get taken out.

By retiring I was talking about the Canadian Leopard 1C2. The gun on that, L7A1, is employed all over the world as the most popular 105mm tank gun in western countries.

The AC130 uses a M102 105mm Howitzer; an artillery piece. The L7A1 is likely too long at 19 feet long where the M102 is 11 feet.

LOL, not familiar with the different names.

But I'm really curious about ground artillery where they try to hit a target 50kms away without getting a visual on the target. That's pretty impressive! Please chime in, lol.

I think we're still on topic right? This topic is about shooting? Except this gun you don't hold in your hand.

Ps. nice gun Firestart!

 

[RockerGuy]

Me messing around with some dude's .50 cal

 

[coyo]

That's not a .50, it's a C6 GPMG (the Brits call it a Mag 58) which fires a 7.62mm (.308).

Me messing around with some dude's .50 cal

 

[coyo]

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My brother in law is a Herby (artillery). Anything in particular you're looking for? And yes, it's all computers these days.

LOL, not familiar with the different names.

But I'm really curious about ground artillery where they try to hit a target 50kms away without getting a visual on the target. That's pretty impressive! Please chime in, lol.

I think we're still on topic right? This topic is about shooting? Except this gun you don't hold in your hand.

Ps. nice gun Firestart!

 

[RockerGuy]

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That's not a .50, it's a C6 GPMG (the Brits call it a Mag 58) which fires a 7.62mm (.308).

Lol, thanks for clearing that up. I thought it look alot like the Bren Gun. The machining and craftmanship was pretty good.
Thought it was a Canadian version of the Browning M2

My brother in law is a Herby (artillery). Anything in particular you're looking for? And yes, it's all computers these days.

I took this on a trip to the east coast, I can't remember what town, but if you're interested, I can look it up. I don't know what gun it is, but apparently is was built by Otis. The same company that build elevators, lol.