We Know you Ride, But do you Shoot?

Gaoler said:
The charter is a charter of convenience not worth the paper it's scribbled on.

This brings me to five firearms, collectively worth about $8k I can't take out of the house.
Three from the first OIC and now two more.
FFS facepalm.
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Although I don't want them to spend any more time and money on this, a very tiny part of me actually wants them to publish the fair market value price list. If it's actual fair market value and not insanity, they missed on their cost by at least two orders of magnitude. Initial report was $250M to buyback all the guns. At $600 per SKS, that one model will be something like $600M to buyback. The other 400 pages of guns are on top of that. Publishing a $250M program and spending more than $50B on it would be in line with his policies. Also, almost zero affect on criminals. They are in the ballpark of $100M spent on it already with zero guns recovered.
 
GreyGhost said:
Although I don't want them to spend any more time and money on this, a very tiny part of me actually wants them to publish the fair market value price list. If it's actual fair market value and not insanity, they missed on their cost by at least two orders of magnitude. Initial report was $250M to buyback all the guns. At $600 per SKS, that one model will be something like $600M to buyback. The other 400 pages of guns are on top of that. Publishing a $250M program and spending more than $50B on it would be in line with his policies. Also, almost zero affect on criminals. They are in the ballpark of $100M spent on it already with zero guns recovered.
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It's all about safety. It's all about safety. It's all about safety....
 
Maybe if JT gets tossed , this all gets reversed, but like the long gun registry, one hundred million will spiral the drain . Meantime, hand gun crimes accelerate monthly. Such a good effort…..


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crankcall said:
Maybe if JT gets tossed , this all gets reversed, but like the long gun registry, one hundred million will spiral the drain . Meantime, hand gun crimes accelerate monthly. Such a good effort…..


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Have they tried banning illegal guns and crime. Seems like it just might work.

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GreyGhost said:
a very tiny part of me actually wants them to publish the fair market value price list.
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You could argue that the market value is now effectively zero.
The only "buyer" is the state so... Whatever money people get, if any is going to be dictated by the state.
From what I've read, an AR15 will be "bought back" at something like $1100 or maybe it was $1300.. regardless of what type of AR15.
Okay, so one of my AR15 rifles was worth about $1300 before the ban, but my others were worth $2500 and over $4000 respectively... There's no way the govt is going to pay me $7800 in "compensation".

I just wish they'd stop calling it a "buy back".
They're not buying anything back. They're confiscating our property and tossing us a few scheckles to look like the nice guy.
 
and that is the defining moment , a target shooter could easily have a couple grand or more in improvements . and a 2grand scope , which is also now worthless really unless you can fit it to your .22 bolt action Cooey.
No idea of price, the used market is stalled because NOBODY knows where this is going .
 
crankcall said:
No idea of price, the used market is stalled because NOBODY knows where this is going .
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Some of us have been playing a game where when one gun we have/use gets banned we go buy another that kinda suits, but isn't banned... Then that one gets banned so we repeat the process...
It's getting tiresome. I've fallen to it a couple of times already.
 
Gaoler said:
Billy Blair 'probably just drunk-talkin'...

They're desperate and throwing out crazy off the cuff stuff just trying to sound like they have a plan...
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Sign of the times.
Playing the virtue signaling card.
If you are against the gun grab you are against the Ukraine, and everybody is pro Ukraine right?
It took some committee all night and a lot of adult beverages to come up with that little nugget.
 
Dirty Frank said:
Sign of the times.
Playing the virtue signaling card.
If you are against the gun grab you are against the Ukraine, and everybody is pro Ukraine right?
It took some committee all night and a lot of adult beverages to come up with that little nugget.
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I watched a lot of the committee hearings on the last bill... The hearings were meant as an opportunity to hear input from stakeholders and others regarding tweaking the bill, editing details etc...
It was a circus.
Any criticism of the bill was met with scoffs and sneers from the liberal MPs on the committee. They'd also level personal attacks at those opposed.
MP Pam Damoff used her platform to name call CFFR's Rod Giltaca and promote herself as a victim of the "gun lobby".
She was pathetic. Her sidekick MP who's name escapes me sitting there huffing and puffing at the mere suggestion the bill and liberal gun policy was flawed... Accusing anyone opposed of being against public safety.

The ban lists are hilarious if you know anything about firearms. Listed are guns that have been banned already for decades, so I guess they're "extra banned" now..?
They've even banned guns that don't exist...
for example. The "Butt-Master" was a joke a gun designer built 25 years ago. He made ONE. It never went into production and never left his possession.
Serbu wonders how the Canadian government even knew of the gun as the only record of it would be in the US NFA registry which is supposed to be confidential.
It's obvious.. The US gov't let the Canadians read the NFA registry.
 
probably 25yrs ago I was quite invested in long range target shooting , when it started getting more complicated I switched to all clay targets and so far they are leaving us alone, our problem now is many skeet and trap fields were built 10 miles from town , no houses around, and now the McMansions are showing up closer and closer and making thier annoyance known , even though many of these fields are 75ys old.
 
crankcall said:
probably 25yrs ago I was quite invested in long range target shooting , when it started getting more complicated I switched to all clay targets and so far they are leaving us alone, our problem now is many skeet and trap fields were built 10 miles from town , no houses around, and now the McMansions are showing up closer and closer and making thier annoyance known , even though many of these fields are 75ys old.
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Yep... if a club hasn't has to deal with new neighbors trying yo shut them down... just wait. It'll happen.

I was on the board of directors of my club for a number of years. We have some great neighbors, but we also have some that have resorted to lies and treachery in their attempts to shut us down.
Fortunate the township sees right through them.
So far.
 
crankcall said:
probably 25yrs ago I was quite invested in long range target shooting , when it started getting more complicated I switched to all clay targets and so far they are leaving us alone, our problem now is many skeet and trap fields were built 10 miles from town , no houses around, and now the McMansions are showing up closer and closer and making thier annoyance known , even though many of these fields are 75ys old.
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Some of the grandfathered protections are essentially expiring. I'm not sure that was the intent but poorly written updated guidelines make it so. Even without new neighbours, that can push clubs out of compliance. Depending on setback, bigger berms can push back execution date.
 
Our one challenge at our club is the township of Stoney Creek is considering no discharge of firearms within the borders , unless a grandfather clause is possible . Galt which is a nice club has a new lawyer for a neighbour and my understanding is he is not making things easy for them . With land prices for empty fields on the moon , it may mean moving many miles away for sport .


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crankcall said:
Our one challenge at our club is the township of Stoney Creek is considering no discharge of firearms within the borders , unless a grandfather clause is possible . Galt which is a nice club has a new lawyer for a neighbour and my understanding is he is not making things easy for them . With land prices for empty fields on the moon , it may mean moving many miles away for sport .


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Even moving miles away, approval is hard. I was talking with someone that wanted to build a range two hours north of gta on more than 100 acres. Quick math showed it was a compliance disaster. I havent run the numbers in detail but I suspect something like 1000 acres is the size needed to be safe. Even with cheap land and rich members, that is a lot of money. Best option is a rich farmer benefactor that leases a patch in the centre of their huge farm to a club. Use the farm as the buffer.
 
Pretty sure if I owned a Purdy or a Jeffery , or Holland&Holland double rifle in an Afican caliber , I would be exporting that to somebody like RockIsland or Morphy , one of the US auction houses that can sell that to a world wide market. $117k CDN and you may get 100K US . A market exists for these firearms , just not here anymore. Im not sure who is going to shoot anybody and the first choice is a Purdy .560 double rifle LOL . The cartridges are probably $30 bucks each.
 
crankcall said:
Pretty sure if I owned a Purdy or a Jeffery , or Holland&Holland double rifle in an Afican caliber , I would be exporting that to somebody like RockIsland or Morphy , one of the US auction houses that can sell that to a world wide market. $117k CDN and you may get 100K US . A market exists for these firearms , just not here anymore. Im not sure who is going to shoot anybody and the first choice is a Purdy .560 double rifle LOL . The cartridges are probably $30 bucks each.
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It will be interesting to see what happens with CRA if a cheque is cut. Technically, we are supposed to declare if we made money on something but most of us don't keep sufficient documentation to prove cost base. It would be a real kick in the nuts if CRA went after the buyback cheques as undeclared income.
 
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