warnings were given - canada headed a step closer to a police state

[jolomatic]

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That isn't true. The problem with broad laws is that they actually require way more lawyer work. From an enforcement perspective, the more narrow the law the better.

Thats why speeding is considered a hard offence to fight, because its so narrow / basic / and easily measureable.

Its the offences like -- Criminal negligence / dangerous driving / aiding and abetting / harbouring / living off the avails... etc that require a lot of legal work. its because of the vagueness of the law.

True, however easy to enforce should not be the goal - justice and reason should be. Letter of the law is easy to enforce, but hard to write the law specifically enough to prevent abuse by the enforcers... speeding tickets are easy to write and convict, but generally don't do much to help public safety which is supposed to be the point of having the law in the first place. Meanwhile truely dangerous drivers get a free pass because it's tricky to get a conviction.

 

[fastar1]

WOW! There must be a better argumnet against increased police powers an loss of civil liberties. Are you a willing to pony up the life of a dear loved one in this quest for freedom? Disclaimer: I'm not in a hurry to live in a police state either.

There may be better arguments but I think that in the final analysis every argument boils down to whether you are ready to die for your freedoms.

And yes, I recognise that I have to be prepared to lose a loved one too. That's even more important in fact, that the survivors don't let themselves get swept up into a blind rage. Sometimes a controlled, measured response is appropriate and sometimes a simple investigation of potential failures in existing security measures is all that's needed. Unfortunately people don't work that way but the principle is correct I believe.

 

[Moreno636]

A citizen is a citizen. Origin is unimportant, whether recent or millennia ago.

100% agreement...

 

[d4rktrooper788]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

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Are you in favour of cell phones and texting while driving or just complaining about the enforcement bit?

As far as the terrorist arrest part, who authorizes the arrest? Will it be like the G20 where cops are told by their confused superiors that they can legally snare anyone they want as long as they have a vague impression of some vague threat.

Not unlike HTA 172 where virtually any movement of a vehicle can be used to justify a roadside ripoff.

Cop "You're under arrest for trying to buy poisons and spreading anthrax. I heard it."

Guy " NO! I was trying to buy insecticide because I have ant tracks in my kitchen."

Since when do you need to use anthrax to kill ants?

 

[fastar1]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

Not ANTS, silly. ImmigrANTS.

oooops... I've said too much.

 

[klr_guy]

only a speeder, will get HTA'd

Wow - really?

 

[imkruzen]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

I am willing to give up my constitutional rights and freedoms to give my government the necessary powers to protect me and my family from terrorism and bad people. I allow them free access to my home whenever they deem it necessary to enter and ensure there is no threat to my family. I know that they are acting in my best interest and the interest of national security. The Gov. is there to protect me and the interests of our nation, what ever it takes.

 

[afong56]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

I am willing to give up my constitutional rights and freedoms to give my government the necessary powers to protect me and my family from terrorism and bad people. I allow them free access to my home whenever they deem it necessary to enter and ensure there is no threat to my family. I know that they are acting in my best interest and the interest of national security. The Gov. is there to protect me and the interests of our nation, what ever it takes.

the government has always been tasked to protect the country and all of its people, even before 9/11 and this so-called "war on terror". . .

if it cannot do so without violating the civil liberties and constitutional rights of its citizens, it is imho, a massive failure.

 

[LiNK666]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

the government has always been tasked to protect the country and all of its people, even before 9/11 and this so-called "war on terror". . .

if it cannot do so without violating the civil liberties and constitutional rights of its citizens, it is imho, a massive failure.

I believe he was being sarcastic.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

I believe he was being sarcastic.

I hope to God so.

 

[BLUE_KAWI]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

I am willing to give up my constitutional rights and freedoms to give my government the necessary powers to protect me and my family from terrorism and bad people. I allow them free access to my home whenever they deem it necessary to enter and ensure there is no threat to my family. I know that they are acting in my best interest and the interest of national security. The Gov. is there to protect me and the interests of our nation, what ever it takes.

Not sure if this was posted for sarcasm. But the real criminals are on Wall Street and in our governments. We have been conditioned to be scared of the petty thug, black man and etc. Never about the people up in the ivory towers who are really killing us.

Good news is that more people are waking up. Even the many TV shows about 9/11 was just more conditioning to distract you from the real crimes.
Your more likely to die from unsafe drinking water and cancer then from a terror attack.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

I hope to God so.

I am.. Bending over and passing the Vaseline to the g-men

 

[Shaman]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

Not sure if this was posted for sarcasm. But the real criminals are on Wall Street and in our governments. We have been conditioned to be scared of the petty thug, black man and etc. Never about the people up in the ivory towers who are really killing us.

+10000

Like the war on drugs: many, many more people have died at the end of a cop's baton or gun than have died from a drug overdose or a mishap related to the effects of one. In the states now, their no-knock policies have expanded to immediately shooting the dog of the house upon entering just as a matter of procedure.

I wish this could happen to everyone who really thinks like imkruzen (although I'm hopeful that was sarcasm).

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Re: Propaganda was believed - but Canada is not headed a step closer to a police stat

I wish this could happen to everyone who really thinks like imkruzen (although I'm hopeful that was sarcasm).

Lol, it was sarcasm.. He's a smart fella (and I really mean it)

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