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vaccine poll

Vaccinated?

  • Yes...Pfizer or Moderna

    Votes: 82 58.6%
  • Yes...Astra Zeneca or J&J

    Votes: 26 18.6%
  • not yet but soon

    Votes: 11 7.9%
  • not booking it yet but I might get it eventually

    Votes: 11 7.9%
  • not going to get vaccinated

    Votes: 13 9.3%

  • Total voters
    140
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And yet your 1st and 2nd posts on GTAM are here in romper room (non mc discussion) and have nothing to do with two wheels.
Should I ask about oil or what’s the best bike to start on ? Pretty much there are no conversations regarding motorcycles of any relevance to reply to as you can see
 

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People who don't want to get vaccinated and instead wanted to prolong the lockdown. What is your rationality?
 
People who don't want to get vaccinated and instead wanted to prolong the lockdown. What is your rationality?

What is your rationale for repeating headlines that have no basis in reality? We have the same / similar case count and hospital capacity we did about a year ago when there were no vaccines. So vaccination has nothing to do with it . The people are scared , the media loves encouraging that and the leaders love the control. I will repeat , since this started less then 3 percent of all Canadians have got the virus .
There is no need to be scared and this should be over as of now any way. We will have to live with this virus and the endless booster shots just like flu and every other virus out there. It’s not going away it will never go away. Get over it
 
no need to get rid of trolls, the ignore button still works just fine.

And just like that I can go back to dominating conversations and hiding in my basement to avoid irl slaps. Perfect.
 
What is the reasoning for posting numbers like that? I really don't understand the significance.

You're own statement needs context.

LTC units have had huge fatality rates over normal numbers.

Well, making a statement like that requires at least cursory evidence to back up the use of "huge". So number of annual residents by life expectancy leads to 57,500 annual deaths in LTC homes in the province.

The 3,790 COVID deaths of LTC homes over 15 months is 5% of the annual expected deaths. Not huge, any way you slice it.

Dehydration and lack of care seem to be killing more residents then COVID. Don't have to take my word for it, that's what the Canadian Forces determined.


It's criminal how our old and vulnerable are treated in LTC homes. Let's not let them pass the buck on deaths to a disease that pales to how they effectively kill people through lack of basic services.
 
You're own statement needs context.



Well, making a statement like that requires at least cursory evidence to back up the use of "huge". So number of annual residents by life expectancy leads to 57,500 annual deaths in LTC homes in the province.

The 3,790 COVID deaths of LTC homes over 15 months is 5% of the annual expected deaths. Not huge, any way you slice it.

Dehydration and lack of care seem to be killing more residents then COVID. Don't have to take my word for it, that's what the Canadian Forces determined.


It's criminal how our old and vulnerable are treated in LTC homes. Let's not let them pass the buck on deaths to a disease that pales to how they effectively kill people through lack of basic services.
Did a whole bunch of LTC workers quit when the pandemic started? Were the staff over-stretched? Were the armed forces called in late? Were there massive complications & issues to "fixing" the system? Will we ever fix it?
Nursing Home Workers Had One of the Deadliest Jobs of 2020
 
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You're own statement needs context.



Well, making a statement like that requires at least cursory evidence to back up the use of "huge". So number of annual residents by life expectancy leads to 57,500 annual deaths in LTC homes in the province.

The 3,790 COVID deaths of LTC homes over 15 months is 5% of the annual expected deaths. Not huge, any way you slice it.

Dehydration and lack of care seem to be killing more residents then COVID. Don't have to take my word for it, that's what the Canadian Forces determined.


It's criminal how our old and vulnerable are treated in LTC homes. Let's not let them pass the buck on deaths to a disease that pales to how they effectively kill people through lack of basic services.
Where did you get average life expectancy in ltc of two years? That is very far off my experience. From my experience, the vast majority are in for more than five years and and quite a few for a decade or more (and for a very unlucky very small minority 40 years or more).
 
A year ago we were dealing with the original strain of the virus, not alpha, and not delta.

A year ago, vaccines were a dream in a number of researchers' minds. Now, lots of people have been vaccinated.

The situation is not the same.
 
Where did you get average life expectancy in ltc of two years? That is very far off my experience.

18 Months in Ontario, but the number varies on studies from both sides of the border from about 1 year to 2.5 years. I split the difference.


Somewhat morbid but a team of researchers did a fairly comprehensive study on LTC home deaths in Ontario and developed a fairly accurate calculator.

 
Numbers are nice to have. But it's just as sad to see a 95 yr old take his last gasp as it is to watch a 40 year old do the same after being run over by a truck.
Focusing on the numbers from elderly deaths is just callous.
 
A year ago we were dealing with the original strain of the virus, not alpha, and not delta.

A year ago, vaccines were a dream in a number of researchers' minds. Now, lots of people have been vaccinated.

The situation is not the same.
Ah so now case counts and hospitals don’t matter…just the variants…just like flu variants I guess? If case counts and hospitalization are the same as a year ago then yes we are dealing with the same situation …but feelings over facts I guess
 
Numbers are nice to have. But it's just as sad to see a 95 yr old take his last gasp as it is to watch a 40 year old do the same after being run over by a truck.
Focusing on the numbers from elderly deaths is just callous.

the numbers matter unless you are a hysterical person who goes by feelings not facts…. And a death at 95 is not just as sad as a 40 year old dying that is nonsense
 
Canada overall has been very cautious, US not so much. I was curious about the efficacy of our different approaches in limiting spread and resulting in death.

Looking at numbers from July 1, 2020 through today to exclude the first wave, data pulled from ourworldindata.org

- Cases/1m people
Canada - 35143.16
USA - 95430.69

- Deaths/1m people
Canada - 468.81
USA - 1455.73

So to round it out, 3x more cases and deaths.
 
Is that 1m in New York or 1m in Florida or 1m in California?
 
Canada overall has been very cautious, US not so much. I was curious about the efficacy of our different approaches in limiting spread and resulting in death.

Looking at numbers from July 1, 2020 through today to exclude the first wave, data pulled from ourworldindata.org

- Cases/1m people
Canada - 35143.16
USA - 95430.69

- Deaths/1m people
Canada - 468.81
USA - 1455.73

So to round it out, 3x more cases and deaths.
Good, except for the first line, where you provided your answer before you provided the data. There are so many differences between the U.S. and Canada, that you can't simply pin things down to us being "very cautious". In many cases we haven't.
 
Focusing on the numbers from elderly deaths is just callous.

The numbers supposedly matter, so many cases, so many hospitalizations, so many deaths and that's why we all need to protect ourselves, lockdown and take a vaccine. That's what every level of government has been saying.

But far too often there is no context attached, numbers without context are meaningless. But context prevents mass hysteria and it doesn't fit the narrative of this pandemic panic.
 
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