pfbmgd
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Where do you get your numbers ?
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How can you make that prediction? You don't know if someone who has already had covid can even catch it again even with the new so called strains.
You have no clue as to how many people on the planet already had covid as that was never tracked
Based on regular pre-COVID (2019 mortality rates), 206 school age kids die a year (0.1 per 1,000 of a little over 2 million).
So school age kids, even with the current death rate of COVID, are two and a half times more likely to die of something other then COVID.
Considering getting vaccinated isn't preventing people from catching it. And there are active outbreaks involving fully vaccinated people of the variants. Calgary's hospital has an outbreak of 33, 10 of which are fully vaccinated.
No, there is no us verses them with regards to real life. The CDC and now Public Health here, are relaxing rules for those vaccinated in a bid to try and get more people to get the shot. Which is creating this split, but it's entirely political and not real.
But with being able to still catch it, still get sick, and still transmit it to others if you are vaccinated. These easements are going to backfire.
I was wrong (outdated) about the UK prevalence:
The US prevalence is in there, too.
He includes sources for all. US numbers are coming from the CDC. UK numbers are coming from the NHS and the ONS.
Ontario prevalence was from Dr Lawrence Loh (Peel Region medical officer of health) last week, it is probably also outdated by now.
Nothing, including any of the covid19 vaccines, is 100% effective. That means there are always going to be some cases of vaccinated people still becoming infected - particularly with the Delta variant among people with only one dose. Among hundreds of millions of people vaccinated so far ... the numbers are very small. As for Calgary, I can't find a source for your statement (citation, please) but I did find this (admittedly, from a couple of weeks ago):
'Vast majority' of COVID-19 patients in Calgary hospitals are unvaccinated, doctors say
Nearly all Calgarians in acute care with COVID-19 have not been immunized against the virus, according to local doctors.
calgaryherald.com
So you're advocating lockdown until the end of time?
No. I advocate taking more of the approach of South Korea, or now Israel with their vaccinated population.
Only count cases that land in hospitalization and stop the fear mongering.
Calgary hospital has 22 cases linked to Delta COVID-19 variant, including 10 fully vaccinated
Experts have raised concern about COVID-19 variants, and the Delta variant in particular, which is proving more effective at infecting people who have only had one dose of a two-dose regimen
www.theglobeandmail.com
Calgary hospital has 22 cases linked to Delta COVID-19 variant, including 10 fully vaccinated
Experts have raised concern about COVID-19 variants, and the Delta variant in particular, which is proving more effective at infecting people who have only had one dose of a two-dose regimen
Definitely worth reading. My takeaway is that this Delta variant is extremely infectious (which we already knew), but vaccination still reduces the frequency and severity of disease. Article mentions that Delta variant is around 8% of cases in Alberta, up from 1% two weeks before.
We are in a race between getting second doses into arms, and the spread of this variant.
pfbmgd
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There is all the talk about " delta variant " . Yet I don't see it in the data on the official Ontario data .
Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue
Where are the actual numbers from governement sources ?
Line up take your shot . Government has you covered .
Main media is jumping on the safety of these vaccines .
For some reason, Ontario isn't including it there. I don't know why. Ask them ... not me. (Or ask Lawrence Loh. He's the one who said about 25% of cases in Ontario were delta variant a few days ago ... and he's in the best position to know)
CP24 has a call-in show in the afternoon with Dr Villa (Toronto chief medical officer), I think it's each Thursday. Call in and ask her.
As for questioning vaccine safety ... the risks of getting covid19 are quite a bit higher, and you ain't getting any compensation for that. For the younger folks, perhaps that risk isn't high for yourself, but you could be bringing it to others who you interact with, and they ain't getting any compensation, either.
It's still a foreseeable scenario that the Delta variant or some yet-to-be-established even-worse variant sweeps through all the unvaccinated young people via school and parties and what-not, and they bring it home or to work and wipe out a bunch of older people, mostly the unvaccinated, but some immunocompromised and/or with whatever other conditions lead to breakthrough of their vaccination. The best countermeasure that we have, that doesn't involve crawling into a burrow forever ... is to get vaccinated ... even though we know it's not perfect.
We are not yet in a position where we can say that everyone who wants a vaccine, has one.
Shocking…nobody could foresee this happening..
Covid: Celebrity Millennium cruise guests test positive for virus Covid: Celebrity Millennium cruise guests test positive for virus
Covid: Celebrity Millennium cruise guests test positive for virus Covid: Celebrity Millennium cruise guests test positive for virus
Now wtf do they do? My guess is test people, pretend that's good enough and puts thousands of people onto planes and hope for the best. Ugh.
Tried online as it was supposedly possible, but it repeatedly didn't show any openings.
Called the Durham Region covid number instead and got an appointment that way. 20 minute hold, appointment 48 hours later.
Ah yes, the "not all those people who they claim died from covid actually died from covid" conspiracy theory.
If a fat guy or a smoker crashes his car and dies from the injuries, it's not the fact he was fat or smoked that killed him...it's the accident. Do you see the correlation to Covid?
Do you know that dying from covid isn't really the only thing to worry about?
I can't share details of course, but I know of a patient in his 40's who had covid, spent over a month on a respirator, and sure, he survived, but to this day can't go up 5 stairs without being so winded he needs to stop and catch his breath.
People are suffering actual long term effects.
So yeah, stop it with the "But you didn't die!" nonsense. People recover from lots of things. That doesn't mean they're anything close to normal ever again, or that it doesn't take months or. years to get there.
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