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Lightcycle said:
This has been mentioned so many times before:

Don't get a safety done at a place whose primary business is selling tires or any kind of parts/service. They'll fail you on a safety so you have to get tires/parts... from them.

Scam as old as time.
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It will be interesting to see if that changes with new system. In the above situation, I would pay for the safety and make them file the failing report and then throw them under the bus with the ministry. Pics showing a pass attached to a failed report should go poorly for the business. If they want to be really dodgy and game the measurements, you have pics from a clean mechanic days later with the same parts showing a pass. Infuriating and that extortion needs to be dealt with harshly.
 
shanekingsley said:
................It was total BS. We complained that it was total BS ......................
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Dealerships rip off customers all the time, no new news here.

My Kia has 91,000 km on the original front brakes. Dealer tells me the pads are now down to 3 mm and they need to be changed ASAP + rotors etc......... it's a safety issue.

I calculate I'm getting about 7,000 km per mm of wear on the pads. So no rush in my mind given that I drive about 2,000 km per month. I ask the guy at the service desk how soon should I get them changed and he says that I might have 40 - 50 km to go............ before they start scraping. Then goes on the tell me that if the pads wear down too much the caliper piston will wear though the pad and start scraping the rotor, meaning the caliper will have to be changed out................. Extra cost he does not want me to bear. Thanks dude, you're so caring.

Can you image a brake pad wearing to the point where the friction material is gone and the backing plate is also ground away to the point a piston is scraping against the rotor?

I asked him if the pad had a wear indicator that would scrape against the rotor and make a noise to indicate that it was worn to the limit. He claimed it did, but he didn't trust them, whatever that meant. I suppose I should trust him more than the wear indicator. Goes on to say the scraper could damage the rotors and they'd need to be replaced. Well, don't you replace them anyway I respond.

End of story is that I haven't replaced the brakes and will look for another shop to do them sometime in the new year.
 
ReSTored said:
Can you image a brake pad wearing to the point where the friction material is gone and the backing plate is also ground away to the point a piston is scraping against the rotor?
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Yes, absolutely I can imagine that. It gets posted nearly daily to /r/justrolledintotheshop

My personal opinion on pushing the limits on brake pads is if you are checking them yourself, and often, then do whatever you want.
 
ReSTored said:
Can you image a brake pad wearing to the point where the friction material is gone and the backing plate is also ground away to the point a piston is scraping against the rotor?
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Like this?


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ReSTored said:
Dealerships rip off customers all the time, no new news here.

My Kia has 91,000 km on the original front brakes. Dealer tells me the pads are now down to 3 mm and they need to be changed ASAP + rotors etc......... it's a safety issue.

I calculate I'm getting about 7,000 km per mm of wear on the pads. So no rush in my mind given that I drive about 2,000 km per month. I ask the guy at the service desk how soon should I get them changed and he says that I might have 40 - 50 km to go............ before they start scraping. Then goes on the tell me that if the pads wear down too much the caliper piston will wear though the pad and start scraping the rotor, meaning the caliper will have to be changed out................. Extra cost he does not want me to bear. Thanks dude, you're so caring.

Can you image a brake pad wearing to the point where the friction material is gone and the backing plate is also ground away to the point a piston is scraping against the rotor?

I asked him if the pad had a wear indicator that would scrape against the rotor and make a noise to indicate that it was worn to the limit. He claimed it did, but he didn't trust them, whatever that meant. I suppose I should trust him more than the wear indicator. Goes on to say the scraper could damage the rotors and they'd need to be replaced. Well, don't you replace them anyway I respond.

End of story is that I haven't replaced the brakes and will look for another shop to do them sometime in the new year.
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I was told similar. It's an emergency, under 3mm, must replace now for >$2K etc. Noted, give me back my car. They felt fine and cursory examination looked ok. I bought the parts and was going to replace when I put on snows. Wtf. Tons lefts. I changed them 18 or 24 months later.

As for the scrapers, My wifes car had the brake screacher break off the last set of pads. I was prepped to do rear brakes and the fronts looked ok from the outside. Pins were a little sticky and no functioning screacher meant front brakes had to be sourced and added to the project as inside pads were almost gone.
 
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Well, I stand corrected, I guess there are some completely clueless people out there. Can you image the noise this would make.
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In that particular case, that caliper is close to 40' away from the driver. Slightly harder to notice than in a typical passenger vehicle.
 
Relax said:
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hah that was me!
When I was 16, just got my license and my folks decided to take off on us for a trip around the world using my Dad's insane amount of airline points. Asides from the 2 keg parties we immediately threw with 350, then 600 people showing up, they let me drive my Mom's car for the 6 weeks they were gone. I ground those pads right down and then some and all 4 rotors had to be replaced.

Imagine the look on my folks faces when they get off the plane and my sis tells them that they have to bail me out of the holding cell, then after getting me, they ask where is the car? I tell them we need to go to pick up the car at a local body shop who wouldn't release it, because I had smashed up the side door a week ago, but couldn't afford the repair. Then they get in the car and see the whole dash covered in empty smoke packs and their nice front bench seat covered in bot holes and empty bot bottles all over the place. That was the best summer ever and my parents never even really got mad at me:)
 
shanekingsley said:
..................That was the best summer ever and my parents never even really got mad at me:)......................
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Holy s***. I thought I was a bad boy sometimes.

Your parents sound pretty cool. I'm an orphan now. Could your parents adopt me?
 
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Holy s***. I thought I was a bad boy sometimes.

Your parents sound pretty cool. I'm an orphan now. Could your parents adopt me?
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lol my Dad was a Buddhist and this too shall pass!
And they were pretty chill parents for sure.

And I did a lot worse than that - that was a 2/10 compared to other nonsense I did, but never got in trouble for any of it.
 
My buddy finally had visit from an MOT guy today at his repair shop to explain the ins and outs of motorcycle safeties.
Yes, it will be more complicated (and expensive) than it has been, but nothing like what the car, truck and heavy vehicle guys are facing.
More details to follow when I have and fully understand them.
 
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Dealerships rip off customers all the time, no new news here.

My Kia has 91,000 km on the original front brakes. Dealer tells me the pads are now down to 3 mm and they need to be changed ASAP + rotors etc......... it's a safety issue.
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My wife drives a Mazda. Gyro Mazda is around 10 minutes away from our house. EVERY time we bring our car there it's about a MINIMUM of $1000 of X, Y or Z. I have a theory that $1000 is small enough that it's not worth it for most to take it for a second opinion, but enough to make a good chunk of change.

Last time I took it there, I didn't trust their dire warnings of safety risk, so took it to another dealer (Maple). This dealer is much farther from us. Nope, nothing wrong, and I asked them to check X, Y and Z. I told my wife that we were moving her tires to storage at Maple and getting all the work done there, if she ever wants me bringing her car in for service.

Last time I brought her car in to our new dealer, they mentioned the wires for the hitch look like they might be close to wearing through and needing replacement. When I mentioned they did the install, service guy immediately looked it up and then told me he would take care of it. The hitch would have been long out of warranty.

No wonder Gyro can afford the fancy video detection and monitoring and lounge and drive-in bays. Last time they called me to remind me it is due for service I told them exactly why I am not bringing my car to them anymore.
 
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TK4 said:
My buddy finally had visit from an MOT guy today at his repair shop to explain the ins and outs of motorcycle safeties.
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Maybe tell him to try to catch some low hanging fruit in the meantime. I was looking for someone to do an appraisal a few weeks ago and “cheap safety” FB marketplace posts came up left and right.

It doesn’t get much easier than this for the MTO to nail. Yet, somehow, they proliferate.

Took me all of 15 seconds to find this post, one of the ones I saw weeks ago. “Delivery available” for a safety should scream from the rooftops that perhaps, just maybe, it’s a wee bit questionable.

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Throwback to this thread on what's included in safety certs:
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Motorcycle Safety Certificate Checklist (Ontario)?

Hello fellow GTA riders. Been off two wheels on the street for a very long time, finally turned 30 and got "Ontario good" rates on my types of bikes if you know what I mean. ;) Just got my new (to me) bike legal on the road. Got my plates and 10 day temporary T sticker from MTO. Want to get my...
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TK4 said:
My buddy finally had visit from an MOT guy today at his repair shop to explain the ins and outs of motorcycle safeties.
Yes, it will be more complicated (and expensive) than it has been, but nothing like what the car, truck and heavy vehicle guys are facing.
More details to follow when I have and fully understand them.
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Postponed now until at least April. These clowns couldn't organize a p*ssup in a brewery.
 
TK4 said:
Postponed now until at least April. These clowns couldn't organize a p*ssup in a brewery.
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It looks like you need about 30 days notice for a provincial election. April will likely be after the next provincial election. I think douggie wants in before PP gets elected as if PP starts breaking heads, provincial votes often swing in the opposite direction.
 
GreyGhost said:
It looks like you need about 30 days notice for a provincial election. April will likely be after the next provincial election. I think douggie wants in before PP gets elected as if PP starts breaking heads, provincial votes often swing in the opposite direction.
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Kinda like his proposed legislation on the homeless encampments ? Delay, confuse obfuscate...
And don't forget the two month Christmas recess, that's more important.
 
TK4 said:
Kinda like his proposed legislation on the homeless encampments ? Delay, confuse obfuscate...
And don't forget the two month Christmas recess, that's more important.
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Can't work at christmas. That's sacred family time. As is the four month summer break they had.
 
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