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Upgrade to a BMW F800R as my second motorcycle

My issue with the F800 would be the pathetic suspension! For that price it really should have better equipment. Looks to me like they took old forks off the back shelf in the warehouse and used them to get rid of inventory. For 12 grand that's unacceptable.

FZ8 looks like a wayyy better buy.
 
The thing is that it doesn't mean that all non-adjustable forks are junk. Some are better than others, however if you are not within a reasonable margin to a rider they made it for, you are out of luck, that is without spending for new springs and valves. You are also out of luck if you ever want to soften them up for a comfy street riding vs. spirited or track riding .... it's just a nuisance.

If Aprilia can do it on their 12K Dorso I am sure BMW can as well ....
 
It's not just lack of adjustment, they're also plain-jane conventional forks.

The competitors have inverse forks and radial mounted brakes. Its 2011- BMW can't be asking 12k for a bike without those things. Not only is the performance suffering but the looks are weak too. Those forks look like twigs on an otherwise pretty bada55 looking bike.
 
Race Tech has a cartridge fork upgrade for the whole F800 line (according to something I read this morning) although that doesn't solve the issue of how it looks. Any potential inverse fork swap options? I know there are many for the SV650 and Ninja 650R (I've read about at least 4 for the 650R anyway). Still, I agree that for the price you should get a little more.
 
Rather than quote everybody, here is the great big response from one F800 rider who has owned the bike for 3 years and has gleaned lots of info from the F800 riders forum, rather then rely on "hearsay".

Price : F800s start at low $10g's. Cost more? Yes, but it has some neat features for its price, its well engineered, has Brembo brakes, braided brake lines, standard heated grips, fat mid range torque, stunning fuel economy and the reviews on the bike are quite positive, and hey, its a BMW.

Suspension : This bike was designed for a large cross section of riders. From beginners, to "reentry" riders, to women (they offer a low seat, and low suspension option), to old guys and everyone else in between. Yes, the front end is pretty soft, low tech and its quite obvious this is where BMW cut costs. But many like it the way it rides in stock form. Its obvious, some don't. Im one of them. Nothing that $300 of RaceTech goods (emulators, stiffer springs, thicker oil), a saturday afternoon, and some elbow grease, and you have a very decent suspension set up. Otherwise, if you want FULL adjustability, you can opt for the Traxxion AK-20 cartridge kit.

Brakes : Besides adding cost and complexity. Why add radial brakes? The F8 already employs braided brake lines, massive double 320mm Brembo discs and calipers. It stops quite well. Here is where the engineers decided that this was all it needed at this price point, and the reviews show that the F800 stops quite well against other bikes in its class.

Parts prices : Yes, anything BMW specific is quite pricey. But the usual stuff, like filters, pads and other consumables are typically priced and can easily be bought on the aftermarket. For BMW parts, you'd be best to hit up a forum, ebay, or buy from the US to save some. But admittedly, their parts are grossly expensive.

Maintenance : its a very simple bike to maintain. oil changes are a snap, coolant changes, brake fluid, as are other maintenance items. Adjusting the valves is trickier, but much easier than doing a vtec VFR800. Several backyard mechanics on the forum checked their valves with very little difficulty.

Overall : "Every" bike has compromises, as seen in my research of bikes I've considered, or may buy in the future :

-The S1000RR was criticized for having "cheap" suspension and brakes against competitors, yet the bike handles and brakes quite well, esp at its price point. Its all about the engineering!

-Ducati 796 - why is it that if I spring for the ABS option, we get stuck with a smaller gas tank? In 2011, engineers cant design a bike to fit an ABS system without shrinking my gas tank so that I get less smiles per mile? But its got nice forks and radial brakes, so it must be ok, right?

-Kawasaki Ninja 1000 - why is there no ABS option on this bike? They offer it overseas, but they don't see as a nice option for us? Its a great all round bike that can be used for sport and touring, has adjustable windscreen, and available bags. So wheres the ABS all its competitors offer?

So, all in all..... what a potential customer has to decide, is if the F800 shortcomings, or any bike for that matter, are ones they can live with.

Cheers. :)

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LOL ... Tell your friend that I'd rather take a smaller tank than non-adjustable forks.

BTW, it looks like BMW will let Husqvarna do (surprisingly) what they should have done in the first place. Nuda will come in R and non-R version. Both will have fully adjustable front ...... I want to see who will buy F800R after the nuda is released ... from the same owner BMW ... something will have to give. I'll say that F800R will be discontinued or the price will drop or the Nuda will cost 14K in base trim. What do you think it will be?
 
That Husky looks like a sweet bike! With the inverted forks, & over 100 bhp, likely we'll see the 800R upgrade to similar specs in the future, but I doubt it'll be discontinued. Or cheap.

The Nuda looks to be more of a Super Motard than a naked urban bike like the 800R... not sure if Husky replacement parts will be more affordable? Or if the aftermarket industry will start to produce more options over the range of bikes using this engine configuration...
 
LOL ... Tell your friend that I'd rather take a smaller tank than non-adjustable forks.

+1 :)

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i really don't get this "radial brake" thing. radial brakes follow inverted forks - it's not like you can have radial brakes with regular forks, so what's the point in talking about them? they offer no performance improvement, that's all in the forks.

which, by the way - inverted forks? important if you're looking for that extra .2 of a second on your lap times. otherwise superfluous. same for a single sided swingarm. show me you've burned off your chicken strips, and i'll grant you a chance to argue you need either of those for more than posing.

i'll certainly agree that i wish i had some sort of front suspension adjustment. and for a minimal investment, i'll get that.

as for the Nuda doing what bmw "should have done in the first place" - you're aware that the f800 engine has been out in various revisions for over 5 years now right? it's unsurprising that it's now evolving again.

i'm also wondering how many Duc riders are still going to be on the same bikes a few years from now once the *major* service intervals hit, or how comfortable they're going to be doing them themselves.

finally, it amuses me to hear Duc riders saying "it's no big issue that i lost fuel capacity for abs" when such a thing just *reeks* of slap dash afterthought, and makes me wonder what other compromises Duc made fitting that system in that aren't obvious.
 
I've been looking at the f800r for a bit now. The thing about the forks is that they're non-adjustable and damper-rod type forks. I have some reservations myself about the forks but that's mostly because I intend to do track days on it. I'm not sure 90% of the people who ride could tell the difference in the fork performance quite frankly. But if you're doing track days, probably more likely to notice. The radial brake thing is pretty accurate. It's a nice to have but again, 95% of the people who ride won't know the difference if they can't see what's on the bike. The one thing I liked about the f800r is the low weight. I looked at the Aprilia Shiver 750 and it was 70lbs heavier. I like Aprilia and all that, but that's a lot of weight. Finally, the f800r has a legitimate passenger seat, as opposed to most of the Duc Monster bikes and the other street fighter style bikes out there. I got a price of around $9500 for the f800r and that's not really cheap, but if you're looking for certain things, there aren't that many bikes out there that fit the bill.
 
i'll certainly agree that i wish i had some sort of front suspension adjustment. and for a minimal investment, i'll get that.

as for the Nuda doing what bmw "should have done in the first place" - you're aware that the f800 engine has been out in various revisions for over 5 years now right? it's unsurprising that it's now evolving again.

i'm also wondering how many Duc riders are still going to be on the same bikes a few years from now once the *major* service intervals hit, or how comfortable they're going to be doing them themselves.

finally, it amuses me to hear Duc riders saying "it's no big issue that i lost fuel capacity for abs" when such a thing just *reeks* of slap dash afterthought, and makes me wonder what other compromises Duc made fitting that system in that aren't obvious.

I have no clue what Ducati riders are arguing about ... I don't ride a Duc and most likely never will.

We are just having a discussion that a bike at that price should have fully adjustable suspension, front and back. It has zero to do with chicken strips or shaving of 0.2s from light to light ... I guess you were joking there, right?

Unless your body falls into the largest demographics group, you do need to adjust suspension. If you don't, you are loosing, big time ... granted, not if you go from Timmies to Timmies ... LOL

BTW, my comment about BMW vs Husky was about suspension (I thought it was obvious) not the engine. The engine is fine as is (except for the vibration at hwy speed, but I am nitpicking now ...), but I'll be honest, more usable power at lower weight is always a good news in my book.
 
We are just having a discussion that a bike at that price should have fully adjustable suspension, front and back. It has zero to do with chicken strips or shaving of 0.2s from light to light ... I guess you were joking there, right?

Unless your body falls into the largest demographics group, you do need to adjust suspension. If you don't, you are loosing, big time ... granted, not if you go from Timmies to Timmies ... LOL

That's only partly true..most suspensions have to be resprung for people over 175lbs, especially if you're doing serious track work. So I'm not sure adjustable suspenion always works. It's nice to have for sure, but it doesn't necessarily mean you're not going to have to spend money to make the suspension right.
 
The one thing I liked about the f800r is the low weight. I looked at the Aprilia Shiver 750 and it was 70lbs heavier. I like Aprilia and all that, but that's a lot of weight. Finally, the f800r has a legitimate passenger seat, as opposed to most of the Duc Monster bikes and the other street fighter style bikes out there. I got a price of around $9500 for the f800r and that's not really cheap, but if you're looking for certain things, there aren't that many bikes out there that fit the bill.

The Shiver is heavy indeed .... the Dorso is much better deal. 410lbs and can do pretty much anything F800R will do. People don't give it a look because they think it's a supermoto, while it is really not. It's slightly higher, but not that much higher.

Who is selling new F800R for 9500K??? I never got a price that low ... you are talking used, right?
 
BMW Toronto..new, previous year model with no options. But I didn't pull the trigger. I had to negotiate that price, that's not list.

I should check out the Dorso. Thanks for the tip! :)
 
That's only partly true..most suspensions have to be resprung for people over 175lbs, especially if you're doing serious track work. So I'm not sure adjustable suspenion always works. It's nice to have for sure, but it doesn't necessarily mean you're not going to have to spend money to make the suspension right.

No argument here.
 
BMW Toronto..new, previous year model with no options. But I didn't pull the trigger. I had to negotiate that price, that's not list.

I should check out the Dorso. Thanks for the tip! :)

I see ... everytime (several times) I asked them about price it was hovering around 12K with heated grips.

If you are serious about the Dorso, let me know. I know a guy who has 09 in his garage with 500 clicks on the clock. He would love to see it gone from his garage (no time to ride ...), so it's a brand new bike for a lot lot less than MSRP with nice aftermarket gel seat (100 times better than a stock).
 
i really don't get this "radial brake" thing. radial brakes follow inverted forks - it's not like you can have radial brakes with regular forks, so what's the point in talking about them? they offer no performance improvement, that's all in the forks.

which, by the way - inverted forks? important if you're looking for that extra .2 of a second on your lap times. otherwise superfluous. same for a single sided swingarm. show me you've burned off your chicken strips, and i'll grant you a chance to argue you need either of those for more than posing.

i'll certainly agree that i wish i had some sort of front suspension adjustment. and for a minimal investment, i'll get that.

The point is that the competition gives both adjustable inverted forks and radial brakes for the same money or less. BMW skimped on the equipment. Whether you need it or would notice a difference (I certainly would) is meaningless. Even if I have 2" chicken strips on my tires I'd still want more value for my dollar than what BMW is offering.

It's cheap, it's outdated, and it's ugly. BMW, as usual, charges more for less.
 
It's cheap, it's outdated, and it's ugly. BMW, as usual, charges more for less.

You were doing fine until you typed the above. I think it's stretching it quite a bit to say that F800R is cheap and outdated. It's fine bike some happen to wish it had adjustable forks at that price (I wished I could click the front few clicks stiffer, and that was only a slow demo ride; brakes were more than enough, with more bite than anything else I have ever rode .....). Or if the sticker was 10K, perhaps we wouldn't have the discussion.
 
All my comments stem from the relatively high price. Compared to the competition, the front end is indeed cheap and outdated and ugly. It works fine for what the bike does, but it doesn't fit the price.
 
I have never heard of an ugly front suspension ... LOL I think the functionality should take precedence to look, but I might be wrong.
 

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