Up taxes to fix traffic, Mayor tells transportation forum (Mississauga News)

Traffic in Mississauga is getting ridiculous and there is a good reason why this is happening, and that is the insane amount of condo buildings going up EVERYWHERE, there isn't a spot of grass or trees left in this ****ing city, they are building without any future planning and increasing population like crazy which = tons of vehicles. Mississauga is choking and building itself to death. Raising taxes is not going to do a damned thing, nothing can be done anymore it's too late, way too many buildings and people in this city.
The last thing we need is more taxes.

I sit at Burnhamthorpe and Hwy 10 all day..I only see traffic from 8:30 to 9 and 5-5:30. And most of that is a freight train heading to and from Toronto. And the density in Mississauga is much lower than Toronto.
 
Yep, more businesses should offer flex hours, so not everyone is in a race to get to work by 9am!

Except, for those who work in an office anyway, the point of coming in to work is primarily to meet and interact with your colleagues. Otherwise, you could just work from home. So, if they're coming at different times it kind of defeats the purpose of coming at all. Making more use of video conferencing, and developing "remote presence" technology further, is probably a better approach, but it has its drawbacks as well.
 
Better late than never I suppose.
 
I sit at Burnhamthorpe and Hwy 10 all day..I only see traffic from 8:30 to 9 and 5-5:30. And most of that is a freight train heading to and from Toronto. And the density in Mississauga is much lower than Toronto.

I lived in Mississauga for last 15 years and traffic on Hurontario, south from 403 is heavy all throughout rush hour both mornings and afternoons, much longer than just between 5:00 and 5:30 and its traffic volume has increased significantly over that time period. Hell, even on weekends its quite busier than it used to be.
 
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Well you'll have to vote more effectively next time for that to happen I suppose!


Working on it :(


I think most cities worldwide would end up similarly. People either use a friend to drop them off or a cab. Using public transit to go to airport is not feasible for a vast majority of travelers.


You need to take a trip to most European cities if you think that's the case. The transit from Heathrow, Munich, Brussels, etc. is fast, consistent and periodic. They've got plenty of room for you and your luggage and typically have dedicated lines for airport use - there's no sharing of the route with local traffic and there's certainly no transfer required to a bus. Toronto pales in comparison.


Except, for those who work in an office anyway, the point of coming in to work is primarily to meet and interact with your colleagues. Otherwise, you could just work from home. So, if they're coming at different times it kind of defeats the purpose of coming at all. Making more use of video conferencing, and developing "remote presence" technology further, is probably a better approach, but it has its drawbacks as well.


Agreed about telecommuting; more businesses need to adopt that. However I disagree about the flex hours. There are smart ways to handle that such as having core hours that still guarantee you'll get to interact with your colleagues. Typically you don't need to hold hands with them all day to get your work done.
 
I like this statement ...

FACT: TRANSIT TRIPS TO PEARSON
Currently, less than one per cent of all travellers at Pearson Airport arrive by public transit.

I am not surprised about the above. I think most cities worldwide would end up similarly. People either use a friend to drop them off or a cab. Using public transit to go to airport is not feasible for a vast majority of travelers.

The Heathrow Express in London gets plenty of use. Every time I've been to London the train has been full of travelers commuting to/from the airport, and the interval is relatively short - every 5 to 10 minutes if I recall.
 
The Heathrow Express in London gets plenty of use. Every time I've been to London the train has been full of travelers commuting to/from the airport, and the interval is relatively short - every 5 to 10 minutes if I recall.

And if you feel that's too expensive the London U runs directly to all terminals.
 
You need to take a trip to most European cities if you think that's the case. The transit from Heathrow, Munich, Brussels, etc. is fast, consistent and periodic. They've got plenty of room for you and your luggage and typically have dedicated lines for airport use - there's no sharing of the route with local traffic and there's certainly no transfer required to a bus. Toronto pales in comparison.

Now I'm not saying I disagree with your mindset..but..it's tough comparing Euro cities to NA cities. Euro gas is quite a bit more expensive compared to our prices..and alot of it is tax. Would we let that happen in NA? They have a different mentality than NA's do, right or wrong. Honestly, I'm not crapping on your idea or statement..I'm just curious if, after this Union-Pearson link is built, how many people will use it and if it has any chance of ever making money, even after you factor in all of the intangibles. It's interesting..white elephant or useful transportation tool? We'll see.
 
The Heathrow Express in London gets plenty of use. Every time I've been to London the train has been full of travelers commuting to/from the airport, and the interval is relatively short - every 5 to 10 minutes if I recall.

I used to do it living in Europe too, but I am glad I don't have to anymore. Not really fun with all the luggages. Maybe if you travel light, but otherwise no thanks.
 
Now I'm not saying I disagree with your mindset..but..it's tough comparing Euro cities to NA cities. Euro gas is quite a bit more expensive compared to our prices..and alot of it is tax. Would we let that happen in NA? They have a different mentality than NA's do, right or wrong. Honestly, I'm not crapping on your idea or statement..I'm just curious if, after this Union-Pearson link is built, how many people will use it and if it has any chance of ever making money, even after you factor in all of the intangibles. It's interesting..white elephant or useful transportation tool? We'll see.

Surely, the Europeans had to do it, because of prices (whether cars or gasoline ...), they had no choice. It's easier done as well, considering how dense the population is. I am not saying that they cannot do public transit better, they certainly can, but it's not because they are greener in their mind, it's because they had no choice and by doing so, they got pretty good at it. Geography worked in their favor as well, obviously.
 
You need to take a trip to most European cities if you think that's the case. The transit from Heathrow, Munich, Brussels, etc. is fast, consistent and periodic. They've got plenty of room for you and your luggage and typically have dedicated lines for airport use - there's no sharing of the route with local traffic and there's certainly no transfer required to a bus. Toronto pales in comparison.

I used to live there for, 35 years ...... LOL

You missed my point. I am glad I don't have to use public transit to the airport specifically.
 
I sit at Burnhamthorpe and Hwy 10 all day..I only see traffic from 8:30 to 9 and 5-5:30. And most of that is a freight train heading to and from Toronto. And the density in Mississauga is much lower than Toronto.

Common, that place is a zoo anytime during a day. Anywhere from Hwy 10 & 401 to where you are, can get pretty bad during a day, lunch hours are super bad.
 
So why the hell don't these clowns let us ride in the HOV lane???....I do it anyways but I hate that I have to be constantly vigilant for popo and at risk of a ticket. When I have the time I'm going to work on writing them a letter.

because the HOV lane is a lane for High Occupancy Vehicles.... where does the one person on their motorcycle count as high occupancy... it would defeat the whole purpose of the lane...

sure bikes are small... so are smart cars, prius', and other compacts... what makes your "small" vehicle a "High Occupancy Vehicle".

the whole purpose of the lane is to try to force people to car pool to have less vehicles creating traffic on the road. You, being a single person on your bike, don't contribute to that goal.

I think that is what they'll reply to your letter with. smaller vehicle, larger vehicle... w/e lengthwise you still take up the same amount of space on the road as a smart car, thus contributing to traffic.

get yourself a 4 person bike and fill it with people, or continue riding illegally like the rest of us :)
 
I agree, but we're talking 60+ years after the war, dude. Many, many cities have either a) constructed mass transit systems or b) had the foresight to plan that someday a mass-transit system may be needed. My whole point was that if they planned on making things (the structures, zoning, etc.) the way they are (which they clearly did), then there's no reason they couldn't have planned around some of these traffic issues.

Americans have done a MUCH better job of this than we have -and yes they have traffic just as bad as we do, but they also have 10x the population, and in higher densities than we do. For all intents and purposes, we a re a much "younger" city, and should have taken some lessons learned from all of those around us.

And were STILL building low-density suburbs in Markham, Oakville, Brampton, and everywhere else! And not putting in offices and commercial space nearby.
 
There are a few main problems for Mississauga. The 403/401/410 are ALWAYS backed up during rush hour so that leaves them as a last resort. Matheson is not wide enough for the amount of traffic it carries to the industrial park. If we had a system similar to allen rd. but with a better exit system it would help a lot. Dixie/tomken/cawthra are also awful for traffic. We would be much better off if we also had a specific truck route. A big problem we have is that trucks take a long time to get going at lights and often don't turn right until the lights are green or take forever at advanced greens making everyone wait until the next one.

I spent 10 years driving all day every day around the city. These are the problems that have caused the most trouble in that time.
 
they dont need to raise taxes, they dont need more money, they need to control and spend the money they do have BETTER!!
 
Raising taxes not gonna help.
Bureaucracy says that it needs more money to operate and release big projects, but once they it receives more money, it starts growing instead... hiring new officers, who would be responsible for realization of big project etc... and the big project doesn't move anywhere.
 
they dont need to raise taxes, they dont need more money, they need to control and spend the money they do have BETTER!!

That's a myth many people believe. If you look at the budgets other cities with much better public transit system have in place, it's a day and night comparison. It's only in Canada where the ratio between ridership money and money needed to run the system is so very close. You just cannot expect have much better system if the province or feds ar not willing to spend more. Do they mismanage some funds, sure they do, but I can assure you that any other city does as well. So that's not what the problem is .....
 
Taxes should always be raise to match with inflation. Costs of doing business is always going to rise, if you don't raise the taxes to match you will only allow your infrastructure to crumble.

Most Mayors (city councillors) feel that if they will not be re-elected if they raise taxes. Therefore we (the taxpayers) are stuck with a crumbling infrastructure.

A perfect example is the TTC/city councillors thinking that the LRT is the cheaper choice (and therefore better for the taxpayer) when in the long term it will end up costing the city nearly double what a subway would cost and shut down 2 major arteries for 6-10 years.

I am a homeowner and i do not mind taxes being raise as long as there is a noticible improvement in my city. This city and the rest of the GTA have a transit problem that needs solving and we should be spending money on that and that only until a solution has been found. Fix the DVP, Gardiner, finish construction on the 401 at Yonge(its been 20 years) and put in subways that link all through the GTA (much like NYC).

Taxes are a part of life so we need to learn to live with them
 
Traffic in Mississauga is getting ridiculous and there is a good reason why this is happening, and that is the insane amount of condo buildings going up EVERYWHERE, there isn't a spot of grass or trees left in this ****ing city, they are building without any future planning and increasing population like crazy which = tons of vehicles. Mississauga is choking and building itself to death. Raising taxes is not going to do a damned thing, nothing can be done anymore it's too late, way too many buildings and people in this city.
The last thing we need is more taxes.

Increasing population density is a good thing. More people in an area = more and cheaper public transit, (for them to commute to work), less cars on the road (since they'll be commuting via public transit). Ideally they'd be building office space nearby as well.

And for those who have to drive through the area, it'll be less distance for them to travel if the same number of people take up less space.

However, we do seem to have a problem with green space in the higher density parts of the suburbs. One should take a look at Asian cities for excellent examples of integrating lots of beautiful green space with apartments and condos.
 
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