No thanks, I've heard of people shot on balconies for having a dream.
Universities ?!?
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No thanks, I've heard of people shot on balconies for having a dream.
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Iceman
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Went to George Brown to get my chefs papers. Realized I didn't want to work at the keg or $35000 a year. No way could I live in a large city where the money is. Spent the last 20 years in the trades, currently delivering building supplies with a crane/boom truck making close to $35 an hour. I'm not highly educated, but I work hard and take pride in it.
My family is comfortable and has what they need, if not everything they want.
I work with three guys with university educations who all drive truck now. The only real difference between them and me is that I don't jump in the truck every morning owing 3-5 years of university fees. They need to drive a lot more than me to "break even".
"You lost 15 friends on motorcycles? and you have only been riding since 2008? was this a group ride that fell off a cliff or are you being serious?"-ZX600
My family is comfortable and has what they need, if not everything they want.
I work with three guys with university educations who all drive truck now. The only real difference between them and me is that I don't jump in the truck every morning owing 3-5 years of university fees. They need to drive a lot more than me to "break even".
"You lost 15 friends on motorcycles? and you have only been riding since 2008? was this a group ride that fell off a cliff or are you being serious?"-ZX600
It's unnatural for real men to sit at desks all day. You gotta move.
That's what the weekend is for.
It's funny because I was telling my buddy that the other day. He went on to say men working at his wife's work working a desk all day.
I was a desk jockey once. Felt like prison
now with treadmills!
lol Yeah most of the university grads I know can't get jobs while the college ones are all well employed.
Although an education in History ain't going to have many job options, either way, IMO.
DO NOT GO TO UNI FOR A HISTORY UNDERGRAD
I did this thinking hey I love world history and my HS history classes so why not? Then the first semester of utter and total boredom and ******** tore the will to learn right out of me. I switched my major and eventually left university to go to College, which I should have done in the first place.
He'd better make damn sure he gets into law school immediately after his undergrad or he won't be working anywhere with a B.A. in History
And fwiw almost ANY university degree is worthless in the job market unless it's in finance/economics/accounting etc. Companies are hiring for life experience and tech skills which you get in college or the work force.
I did this thinking hey I love world history and my HS history classes so why not? Then the first semester of utter and total boredom and ******** tore the will to learn right out of me. I switched my major and eventually left university to go to College, which I should have done in the first place.
He'd better make damn sure he gets into law school immediately after his undergrad or he won't be working anywhere with a B.A. in History
And fwiw almost ANY university degree is worthless in the job market unless it's in finance/economics/accounting etc. Companies are hiring for life experience and tech skills which you get in college or the work force.
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BifelifeGs500f
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Agree 100% ?
Agree with Macs here...except I'd add Engineering to the list of courses to pursue.
I think one factor that most people assume but no one has outright said is, make sure they finish the damn program. A lot of folks start but never finish or end up a few credits short. Gotta finish the requirements to earn that degree. Make sure your kid knows the difference between earning the degree vs getting the degree.
Actually I'll give some opposite advice.....study what you're interested in if you just want to study, but realise this isn't a fast track to high salaries in most cases. If you just want a vocation...then university isn't really the place for that outside of a few subjects. Studying what you love means a better university experience though. I can usually tell the grade whores from those that actually are interested in what they study and anyone with a real interest means I'm more likely to give them extra help.
Anyone doing any degree at a university can mould themselves into a marketable commodity but it takes hard work, dedication, focus and a lot of flexibility at times too. Oh, and luck. A history degree can still lead you to a good career....but it's likely not going to be in History and it's going to take some effort.
Anyone doing any degree at a university can mould themselves into a marketable commodity but it takes hard work, dedication, focus and a lot of flexibility at times too. Oh, and luck. A history degree can still lead you to a good career....but it's likely not going to be in History and it's going to take some effort.
This.
This makes perfect sense if you're going to University just out of interest. Most people need money to live and therefore are in University to get a job after. I do know several people that took things like psych just out of interest and then did something else after knowing full well there's no jobs in that field at least without a masters. On the other hand, I know some people that have multiple degrees in things like Latin, music history, art, etc and then complain that they owe hundreds of thousands in student loans (been in school for like 10+ years) and can't get a job in their field (because there aren't any and anyone should know that).
Jc100's advice is excellent. Majoring in history didn't hurt these people, though that degree wasn't their terminal academic achievement.
http://fortune.com/2014/06/02/ceo-college-majors/
http://fortune.com/2014/06/02/ceo-college-majors/
No problem with that execpt that as a tax payer we are on the hook for roughly half the cost in Ontario, not including defaulted loans etc. I am all for expanding the mind and chasing ones dreams, just not too jazzed about paying for it out of my taxes. I also think the system still presents the myth that a degree is going to lead to something (any degree).
IMO as long as the student is paying full flight and the schools are clear what it leads to, have at it. Neither is the case today.
In all of those cases the people are well above average in smarts and drive. It is likely no degree or just any degree would have got them to the same place. The question is could have they got there faster with a better choice?
Lots of rich people out there that did not even complete or even go to university, doesn't mean it is the best course of action for the masses.
Red_Liner740
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http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.co...opouts-five-school-dropouts-who-made-fortune/
And the people on this list are billionaires even though not finishing high school/higher ed.
The are the exception to the rule, statistical outliers and i hate when people cherry pick such stats to tryand prove their point.
And the people on this list are billionaires even though not finishing high school/higher ed.
The are the exception to the rule, statistical outliers and i hate when people cherry pick such stats to tryand prove their point.
OP, if your kid is considering Law School, make sure they understand the admissions level rankings of the university they want to go to. It adds a multiplier affect to their grades.
I.e. When applying to Law School, your 4.0 from UofT or Mac is considered a 4.0 GPA. Your 4.0 GPA from Brock University is equivalent to 3.3 GPA when applying. Things to consider.
I.e. When applying to Law School, your 4.0 from UofT or Mac is considered a 4.0 GPA. Your 4.0 GPA from Brock University is equivalent to 3.3 GPA when applying. Things to consider.
