rinomato1
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forget triumph for a moment.. out of the big 4 which is the most "user friendly" for someone stepping from a different kind of motorcycle to an SS. because some of the machines the big 4 make aren't that bad looking.
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Dude they're all the same. The kind of nuances that differentiate the supersports are so minimal that you'd have to test the bikes thoroughly one after another to notice a damn thing.
Get whatever you think looks best and feels good when you sit on it.
I love my F4i, It was my starter bike.
Powerful enough that you won't grow out of it for awhile and nimble enough in the twisties.
Don't have carbs to worry about as it is fuel injected and with the right rider there isn't a 600 out there that will leave it in its dust.
I put almost 1000km's on mine in a day and felt fine, also parts are easy to get and cheap to repair.
Another choice if you can't decide between a 600 and a 1000 is a GSX-R 750?
Get what is in your price range, easy on YOUR eyes and you feel comfortable on.
And what almighty and powerful bike do you ride?
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Forget what people are saying about noob bikes, IMO there is no such thing as a noob bike.
It's only gonna do what you tell it to, rider input dictates bikes reaction. You can blow a corner on a 250 just as well as on anything else.
Pick a few you like looks wise, then go out and sit on them and spend some time getting I know the bike (kinda like a blind date).
Then get whatever your heart and budget desires
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It's only gonna do what you tell it to, rider input dictates bikes reaction. You can blow a corner on a 250 just as well as on anything else.
Pick a few you like looks wise, then go out and sit on them and spend some time getting I know the bike (kinda like a blind date).
Then get whatever your heart and budget desires
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The Road Warrior
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Over the last 8 years I have owned 3 litre bikes, two ZX10R's and currently own a Ducati Streetfighter, so I know what I am talking about, I am not talking out of my ***.
I don't think there's anything weak or gutless about a 600cc SS bike, and I think the statement itself is ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous to claim that a 600cc SS is a perfect beginner bike when it's very clear that it's not.
I've been on a Harley Sportster and the comparison some people are making between it and modern day 600rr bikes is way out to lunch.
The Sportster if a heavy bike for its size, and for a Harley it goes, handles and stops ok at best.
But we need to keep all the apples in the same basket, it does absolutely nothing even remotely close performance wise as a 600rr bike.
The Sportster if a heavy bike for its size, and for a Harley it goes, handles and stops ok at best.
But we need to keep all the apples in the same basket, it does absolutely nothing even remotely close performance wise as a 600rr bike.
I think everything about a 600cc supersport is weak and gutless. They take forever to get going, develop a paltry 30ft-lbs of torque until you rev well past the midrange and into the top-end, by which point you're already breaking any speed limit in Ontario at the top of 1st gear.
I also don't think its ridiculous to have a 600cc SS as a first bike. The power delivery is downright docile, completely linear and un-surprising, and the gears are so tall that you're not even hitting the powerband in 1st until you're approaching highway speeds. What makes it "dangerous" to a newb? My wife started on a 600 years ago and dominated the hell out of that bike. I did too. Plenty of friends and acquaintances also started on 600 supersports without any problems at all.
This mentality that supersports are impossible-to-tame beasts and that even a paltry 600 should be deathly feared by all newbs is retarded. If you can't handle a 600 you can't handle any motorcycle and shouldn't be riding at all. I've met very few people who were clumsy and uncomfortable on their 600s, and all of them had upgraded from 250s which they were equally clumsy and uncomfortable on.
Top all this off with the OP already being an experienced rider (albeit on a cruiser, but who cares) and the argument turns ridiculous to a whole new level. The fact that this guy is actually questioning whether he's "ready" for a 600 when he's already an experienced rider just goes to show how many vocal people at these forums are so full of ****. "Ready" for a 600? :lol: gimme a break.
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I went from dirt as a kid...to cruisers most of my life...then got a CBR1100XX as my first sport bike because it was comfortable and an amazing machine. You'll be fine on whatever SS you choose - but the power delivery is a lot different than you're used to with a Vtwin. (Unless you go for an SV as mentioned)
I've now gone to a DR650 Supermoto - and it is the most fun you can have on a bike IMO. So if the KTM 990 SM is on your list - you might enjoy that too.
Meh...get them all...Harley..SS...KTM
I've now gone to a DR650 Supermoto - and it is the most fun you can have on a bike IMO. So if the KTM 990 SM is on your list - you might enjoy that too.
Meh...get them all...Harley..SS...KTM
You're taking the performance of a 600 and lining it up against the practical limits of street riding. And you're right, anyone who rides any SS with that mindset is going to fare well. The difficulty is when riders look to experience the performance of an SS in it's entiretly, or even just get a taste of it before they've figured out all the risks and difficulties of riding in the real world. That's when things get hairy and that's why the difference between a safe and unsafe SS rider is the mindset of the rider, not the bike itself.
Whats dangerous about the 600 when you take it to the edge, that wouldn't be dangerous about a 250? You go too hot into a corner on either bike, as a newb, you're F'ed. The displacement makes no difference.
The only difference would be a hamfisted rider spinning up the rear coming out of a corner. But all that stuff is rider error and can apply on just about every bike. Its not a function of the bike, its a function of the potential idiot riding it. It's not as if you can afford to turn your brain off while riding a 250 and survive a trip on the 401.
edit: read your post again and actually I agree with what you're saying; the supersport might tempt people to go faster or try harder to find the limits of the bike... its an encouragement. but again, that's the fault of the rider, and not an inherent danger of the bike.
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I also started out back in the day on a 600 SS. It's not the bike you ride, it's the state of mind your in. After only riding for 2 weeks I got cocky and took out my old mans Hayabusa and had no problems what so ever. The only thing you need to learn going from different cc bikes is the throttle and clutch control ( maneuvering is obviously important but that just comes in time and practice ). This is obviously more forgiving on lower cc bikes however it's not very hard to learn. If you already have motorcycle experience, you should be able to pick up how the bike changes gears and the throttle / clutch control within an hour of being on the bike.
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I never said anywhere that a 600 is an impossible to tame beast. I'm just saying it's not the right choice for a new rider. Just because you, or someone you know started on a supersport and is fine doesn't mean it's the right choice for everyone.
The OP does have experience riding, so thats why I'm not discouraging him from getting a supersport. I'm simply stating that 120hp+ bikes are not suitable for beginners with no riding experience. It's the same as giving a 16 year old the keys to a Ferrari. sure, they could get killed just as easily in a cavalier, but the performance of the Ferrari is way out of their league. No new rider is fully prepared for the acceleration or braking power of a supersport.
Anyway, this topic gets beat to death every spring. We both have our opinions, lets just leave it at that, and let the OP get his thread back.
wearelopey
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You remember all those people from the m2 exit course? The ones that dropped their bikes, stalled them the whole course, and locked up their wheels when braking?
Do you really think those people would survive their first day ever riding in traffic on a 600cc SS?
It can be done, forsure don't get me wrong. But common some of those people who passed the course really should have never gotten their license. Those are the people whom I advice to start on a small displacement bike.
Would you really recommend a 600cc SS bike for all those people in the course as a beginner bike? Even the people who had to retake the course?
Do you really think those people would survive their first day ever riding in traffic on a 600cc SS?
It can be done, forsure don't get me wrong. But common some of those people who passed the course really should have never gotten their license. Those are the people whom I advice to start on a small displacement bike.
Would you really recommend a 600cc SS bike for all those people in the course as a beginner bike? Even the people who had to retake the course?
I would recommend them a car. Or maybe a bicycle.
To me, the only imposing thing for a newb on a 600 is the physical size and unwieldiness of the bike. The same would go for an SV650 or ER6 with half the horsepower. A newb would be intimidated on either bike simply because of its size, because its a big step up from the small bikes at the riders courses. Besides that, I don't see anything big and bad about the available power. If the rider is dumb/immature/brave enough to rev the 600 up to 14,000 on their first ride then they're probably dumb enough to crash a 250 too. Like I said, its not a function of the bike, just the riders mindset.
What I distinctly have ingrained in my memory after my first ride on my first 600 (a gsxr) was how slow the bike was to get moving. This was after having learned to ride on an SV650 with 65hp. Thinking about it afterwards, the GSXR actually would've been the more docile bike to learn on.
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The Road Warrior
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Oh so I suppose you rode many supersports so you came to that conclusion?
Says in your profile you ride a 250.
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