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Two Wheel overly picky on safety?
- Thread starter kamper
- Start date
It was fine, i just hit restart on my playstation and did it again :lmao:
Show me the DOT compliance or e-markings on your rim tape that would indicate compliance with the applicable standards - or show me the declaration of conformity from the manufacturer stating what standards it complies with!
In the eyes of the law, a reflector is not a reflector unless it has a valid compliance marking, or a declaration of conformity associated with it that states that it complies with the relevant standards. Lighting is the same way. No compliance documentation? - then it might as well not be there. Illegal/forged compliance documentation doesn't count, either.
Not sure about this reflector stuff. I've not messed with the reflectors on my bike, ride it as delivered from the dealer. It has one rear facing reflector, one mounted on each side of the rear fender, and two side facing orange reflectors up front. Same set up on my wife's CBR125R.
Just to follow up on this, I went to Rosey Toes last weekend. Ted signed the safety and had a look at the things that Two Wheel had flagged. Unsurprisingly, he had some colourful words for them and said none of it was a problem.
I completed the sale and told the buyer I'd help cover repair costs within the first year for anything Two Wheel flagged.
I completed the sale and told the buyer I'd help cover repair costs within the first year for anything Two Wheel flagged.
chiefswallow
Banned
Nice!! And nice of you to offer that to the buyer
darryldale
Member
I have owned / sold at least a dozen bikes and every time I made the mistake of taking them to a "bike shop" for safety they always tried to hit me up for things that I know were fine.
That is why I have a couple local auto mechanics that I use now. They don't have the "conflict of interest" in that the more they find "wrong" the more work they're going to get.
That is why I have a couple local auto mechanics that I use now. They don't have the "conflict of interest" in that the more they find "wrong" the more work they're going to get.
EaZ8
Well-known member
the stock reflectors on my 09 600rr do not face forwards or rearwards...they are left and right only. forwards is a headlight and rear is a brake light, maybe thats suppose to be taken into consideration. also, the stock reflectors on my cbr... the ones on the forks were amber, and the ones under the seat/tail section were red...its a canadian bike.
not that we were talking about signals but, stock signals fronts face forwards and rears face rear.... i dont think the signals are really visible from left and right if someone was beside me (but i dont have stock signals anymore). my aftermarket ones are flushmounts and a integrated tail light.. combined i think they are actually more visible than OEM because they cover more angles and now i have 6 turn signals (3 per side)..and they look better.
Lamps required on motorcycles
(2) Subject to subsection (3), when on a highway at any time every motorcycle shall carry two lighted lamps in a conspicuous position, one on the front of the vehicle which shall display a white light only, and one on the rear of the vehicle which shall display a red light only. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (2).
i cant find anything specific to reflectors for motorcycles...lots for commercial vehicles.
chiefswallow
Banned
I think it's CMVSS/TC/Motor Vehicle Safety Act, not HTA: http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/acts-regulations/regulations-crc-c1038-sch-iv-108.htm
I had to get my car headlights tested by TC to determine if they were "amber" or "yellow". When cops lay a charge like "improper headlights" they are referring to CMVSS/TC regulations for headlights. I assume it'd be the same with missing "safety equipment" i.e. reflectors.
Reflective devices
4.21 (1) A vehicle must be equipped with at least one red reflector at the rear of the vehicle, either separate or incorporated into a tail lamp, that is mounted at a height of not less than 38 cm and not more than 1.83 m.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a vehicle manufactured before January 1, 1958.
(3) Only amber reflectors may be mounted on the front or side of a vehicle.
(4) Only red reflectors may be mounted on the rear of a vehicle or on the side of the vehicle at or toward the rear of the vehicle.
(5) A vehicle with an overall width of 2.05 m or more, or a trailer or semitrailer having a gross weight in excess of 1 400 kg, must be equipped with at least
(a) 2 amber reflectors mounted on the side of the vehicle, trailer or semitrailer near the front,
(b) 2 amber reflectors mounted on the side of the vehicle, trailer or semitrailer near the rear, and
(c) 2 red reflectors mounted on the rear of the vehicle, trailer or semitrailer.
(6) A trailer or semitrailer must be equipped with at least one red reflector on the rear of the vehicle at each side.
(7) A pole trailer must be equipped with at least
(a) one amber reflector on each side of the vehicle at the front and the horizontal mid-point, and
(b) one red reflector on the rear of the vehicle or load at each side.
(8) A commercial trailer with a width of more than 2.05 m and a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4 536 kg must be equipped with reflective markings on the rear and side of the vehicle to meet the approved standards established by the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) and the applicable SAE standards
(a) on and after January 1, 2000 if the vehicle was manufactured on or after December 1, 1993, and
(b) on and after January 1, 2002 if the vehicle was manufactured before December 1, 1993.
(9) Despite subsections (1) to (7), reflective markings may replace red or amber reflectors on the side or rear of a vehicle.
[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2; am. B.C. Reg. 413/99.]
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EaZ8
Well-known member
ok so it looks like 2 red in the rear and 2 amber on the front, all facing left and right.
rim tape would count because it doesnt say DOT approved reflectors...but you would need red or amber rim tape...
either way, im leaving mine how it is.. im changingmy rim tape, probably to red just because... nothing to do with laws.
Agree with the first, but disagree with the second. I went to two Canadian tires and I think a Midas or something, and none of them would do it. I know SOME Canadian tires will, but not any place that has a green sign.
Motorcycle Mike
Well-known member
I was just about to ask, where are people finding these non-bike shops willing to safety a bike?
When I needed to safety my KLX in the spring, I went to every shop near me and all said no. Even the shady looking mechanic shop across from Ready Honda that advertises $40 safeties. The Canadian Tire near Dundas and Dixie said no.
Finally I found out that a Cycle World West is open again on Wolfedale, so I went there. I think his name is Bart?... anyway, I had no hassles at all getting a safety done with him -- I think it was $100.
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