Similarly I was downtown near the St Lawrence Market the other day for the first time in years. Two way streets have become one way making navigation a joke.
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Traffic planning anyone
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Similarly I was downtown near the St Lawrence Market the other day for the first time in years. Two way streets have become one way making navigation a joke.
Malks
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That's the Toronto Traffic Plan, piss off all the motorists so they stay away! Between the bike lanes, ludicrous low speed limits (30kph wtf) and construction closures/lane restrictions, getting around Toronto in a vehicle has become a nightmare. I'm glad I retired 11 years ago and no longer need to drive into that mess. As if the commute wasn't bad enough, my job required me to use a company vehicle to travel to many locations within the city every day. Don't miss it at all!
sburns
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Nothing really new here. Front/Wellington has been 1 way where it splits for as long as I remember.
What is new is the city's lack of plan to address congestion. Hey John stop for a minute bonking that 30 year old and do what we elected you to do and what you promised. I think he towed a bunch of vehicles the first month in office to put on a show, then nothing. Maybe that's when they hooked up.
They keep adding more bike lanes taking away from traffic lanes, and still try to have street parking at the same time. It' doesn't work.
Why we have a thread:
www.gtamotorcycle.com
City is clueless.
What is new is the city's lack of plan to address congestion. Hey John stop for a minute bonking that 30 year old and do what we elected you to do and what you promised. I think he towed a bunch of vehicles the first month in office to put on a show, then nothing. Maybe that's when they hooked up.
They keep adding more bike lanes taking away from traffic lanes, and still try to have street parking at the same time. It' doesn't work.
Why we have a thread:
Does Toronto actually have a plan?
I've heard people talk about the war on the car, but what I've seen seems to be a war on everything and everyone.Things seem to be put in in an expensive hodgepodge way designed to conflict with each other. Are there city planners? Are they ever listened to?
www.gtamotorcycle.com
City is clueless.
Personally I think 1 way streets are the solution here. One of the major issues is people turning left when they shouldn't be, and blocking the people behind them and impeding traffic. One way streets help alleviate that as then you have better spots to turn from toward the streets. It's a pain sure, but once people are used to it...makes traffic flow better.
As for the blocks being closed for the Ontario Line project...can't have an omelette without breaking a few eggs right? Your words @nobbie48
It's 'short' term pain for long term gain to a larger population. I feel for the businesses that are going to be affected, but we can't have a better transit infrastructure without going through the pain. The city / province have mucked up the transit options within the city, and I'm very happy to see all the work going on...but it WILL be very painful for a lot of people, as it benefits a larger amount of people.
As for the blocks being closed for the Ontario Line project...can't have an omelette without breaking a few eggs right? Your words @nobbie48
It's 'short' term pain for long term gain to a larger population. I feel for the businesses that are going to be affected, but we can't have a better transit infrastructure without going through the pain. The city / province have mucked up the transit options within the city, and I'm very happy to see all the work going on...but it WILL be very painful for a lot of people, as it benefits a larger amount of people.
Politicians solving traffic problems is like chimpanzees doing jigsaw puzzles without the picture on the box.
100% agree. Remove the politics from the infrastructure expansion and things move forward much better.
As someone who works just past the corner of a major 1 way street (Richmond), yeah no. You would be impressed with the number of geniuses who make a right turn onto it going against 3 lanes of traffic.
We are doomed as a species.
You can't beat common sense into people...it would be fun to do so...
A second aspect is that there should be much stronger enforcement. Get that in line...and you'll see traffic flow get better.
My favourite is the idiot that sees a red light, in traffic, and STILL goes into the intersection. And then blocks both perpendicular directions because they're oh so important.
Pull them out of the car and beat them with a bat is my solution.
As punishment for thinking this, you may now only drive/ride on your street in a single direction for the next three months. You should also disclose if you personally benefit from this project.
This would actually work for me fine. I'm on a crescent so if I can only turn right into my driveway...works well enough for me.
Same for exiting.
i like to roll right up to their car, stop, make direct eye contact and just lay on the horn until they move.
Burlington put up a 40 kmh speed limit sign on my street. I'm assuming it was 50 kmh previously, as it was unposted and 50 is the default limit. The amusing part is that it's a 300 foot long dead end street.
The problem is that everything is done piece meal
We've had this discussion before.
Too many bike lanes that end up nowhere in a "figure it out or die" type of land, which restricts who will actually make the switch to biking, therefore keeping more cars on the road. Imagine getting rid of all grade-schoolers bus and car traffic in the morning... 5km bike ride is something my 5y old can do easily and in some other countries there are actually no school buses. Builds better independance, gets a bit of fitness in and helps them get a sense of direction.
Another issue, especially for the core, is that a lot of people commute only a few days a week now so taking transit isn't always more favorable, whether it be cost wise or time wise so in the car they go. Add onto that all the people that moved away from the core to get more space during the pandemic and youve got a whole bunch of people driving in on random days.
It's also harder for me to "read" traffic as it isn't the same mix of the same people most days like it used to be, people are less attentive, more impatient... a big recipe for disasters...
On top of that add political "leaders" who want to crowd please, not build the more efficient solution and you have what we have now as a result
We've had this discussion before.
Too many bike lanes that end up nowhere in a "figure it out or die" type of land, which restricts who will actually make the switch to biking, therefore keeping more cars on the road. Imagine getting rid of all grade-schoolers bus and car traffic in the morning... 5km bike ride is something my 5y old can do easily and in some other countries there are actually no school buses. Builds better independance, gets a bit of fitness in and helps them get a sense of direction.
Another issue, especially for the core, is that a lot of people commute only a few days a week now so taking transit isn't always more favorable, whether it be cost wise or time wise so in the car they go. Add onto that all the people that moved away from the core to get more space during the pandemic and youve got a whole bunch of people driving in on random days.
It's also harder for me to "read" traffic as it isn't the same mix of the same people most days like it used to be, people are less attentive, more impatient... a big recipe for disasters...
On top of that add political "leaders" who want to crowd please, not build the more efficient solution and you have what we have now as a result
sburns
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Was downtown today for some errands. Right at Young and Bloor and Young and College. First there is a chit load of construction going on. Google maps for the win. As @Evoex put it, lot's of geniuses, and most from what I saw in luxury cars, making up their own rules. Had to wave this Porsche through a red light they ran while I was trying to make the left, watched a guy make a turn onto bloor from young (not allowed), and a caddy driving in a bike lane....
They really need to make Front, Wellington, Adelaide, Richmond streets to get vehicle traffic through the city. Remove bike lanes and put them someplace else. Like Shuter, Wellesely etc. where there is less traffic and space probably for this.
Remove some street parking, and have reserved spaces for deliveries etc. This is part of the problem downtown with delivery/contractor trucks blocking lanes or making stops to drop stuff off.
Implement something I've seen in Europe (Spain & Portugal) and build underground parking below parks. And do delieveries in off hours.
Downtown didn't seem all that empty where I was, lots of people crossing in the middle of the streets.
So far in this thread there are better ideas then what has been done by people in charge of it. Our gov hard at work as always.
They really need to make Front, Wellington, Adelaide, Richmond streets to get vehicle traffic through the city. Remove bike lanes and put them someplace else. Like Shuter, Wellesely etc. where there is less traffic and space probably for this.
Remove some street parking, and have reserved spaces for deliveries etc. This is part of the problem downtown with delivery/contractor trucks blocking lanes or making stops to drop stuff off.
Implement something I've seen in Europe (Spain & Portugal) and build underground parking below parks. And do delieveries in off hours.
Downtown didn't seem all that empty where I was, lots of people crossing in the middle of the streets.
So far in this thread there are better ideas then what has been done by people in charge of it. Our gov hard at work as always.
Chris-CJ
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In 'Sauga, there is a move afoot to add more roundabouts. The ones I have seen exacerbate traffic problems and guess what, it's 'cos there is a lack of knowledge on their use.
Cars either ignore the "yield" and scoot through or remain paralyzed at the entry and neither is there any signal courtesy. All failing mistakes at a drive test in country's that have been using these as part of their traffic system for decades.
Cars either ignore the "yield" and scoot through or remain paralyzed at the entry and neither is there any signal courtesy. All failing mistakes at a drive test in country's that have been using these as part of their traffic system for decades.
From what i understand, most businesses are supposed to have a separate entrance for deliveries, as per code. But they end up not being convenient for the driver who will just use the main street (am i right on this one? please correct me)
Also re: roundabouts, if people don't use them they can't get used to them. But if they use them every day, eventually theyll get the hang of it. (now whether it takes a week or 5 years, i dont know)
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