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Traffic planning anyone

No matter what you do, someone isn't going to like it.

Designate certain major streets as through roads. No bicycle lanes. No parking. No stopping. Designate other streets "no motorized vehicles except local deliveries". Basically pedestrian and bicycle zones with the occasional delivery truck (who has to get and display a pass in the windshield). Still others "local traffic only", parking allowed ... and to enforce "local traffic only", block off one end of it so that the street is a dead-end. This way the situation isn't dependent on cops being permanently stationed to see if someone is thru traffic.

If this gets more people walking and bicycling and taking public transit, that's the idea.

Many european cities have pedestrian-only zones with local deliveries allowed by commercial vehicles (who putter along slowly along with the pedestrians).

This model should be better for local businesses. Someone walking along a street is quite likely to see a cafe or ice cream shop or knickknacks shop and pop in for a look and maybe buy something. Someone driving past, if they have to find and pay for parking that isn't necessarily close by ... not so much.

Congestion charges (London UK) and low-emission-vehicle zones (Barcelona, among others) can be the sticks that go along with the carrots.

Here is the high-speed-rail station in Barcelona. Look at all the motorcycles parked across the street. There is parking for cars - but by North American standards, very little parking is available. You are expected to connect to local transit or take a taxi or walk to where you're going from here (which is what I did). Google Maps
 
From what i understand, most businesses are supposed to have a separate entrance for deliveries, as per code. But they end up not being convenient for the driver who will just use the main street (am i right on this one? please correct me)

Also re: roundabouts, if people don't use them they can't get used to them. But if they use them every day, eventually theyll get the hang of it. (now whether it takes a week or 5 years, i dont know)
FWIW Yonge Street has changed little from an infrastructure point of view since when deliveries were done by teamsters with dray horses.
 
No matter what you do, someone isn't going to like it.

Designate certain major streets as through roads. No bicycle lanes. No parking. No stopping. Designate other streets "no motorized vehicles except local deliveries". Basically pedestrian and bicycle zones with the occasional delivery truck (who has to get and display a pass in the windshield). Still others "local traffic only", parking allowed ... and to enforce "local traffic only", block off one end of it so that the street is a dead-end. This way the situation isn't dependent on cops being permanently stationed to see if someone is thru traffic.

If this gets more people walking and bicycling and taking public transit, that's the idea.

Many european cities have pedestrian-only zones with local deliveries allowed by commercial vehicles (who putter along slowly along with the pedestrians).

This model should be better for local businesses. Someone walking along a street is quite likely to see a cafe or ice cream shop or knickknacks shop and pop in for a look and maybe buy something. Someone driving past, if they have to find and pay for parking that isn't necessarily close by ... not so much.

Congestion charges (London UK) and low-emission-vehicle zones (Barcelona, among others) can be the sticks that go along with the carrots.

Here is the high-speed-rail station in Barcelona. Look at all the motorcycles parked across the street. There is parking for cars - but by North American standards, very little parking is available. You are expected to connect to local transit or take a taxi or walk to where you're going from here (which is what I did). Google Maps
This!
The problem is we try to make everything multi use of everything.
So its a through street for cars at "high speed" with bicycle lanes that has some street parking too.

In the end, it ends up being a cluster-frak or what's also called a Stroad which is one of the laziest way to design... "just make it do everything to please everyone"
 
No matter what you do, someone isn't going to like it.

Designate certain major streets as through roads. No bicycle lanes. No parking. No stopping. Designate other streets "no motorized vehicles except local deliveries". Basically pedestrian and bicycle zones with the occasional delivery truck (who has to get and display a pass in the windshield). Still others "local traffic only", parking allowed ... and to enforce "local traffic only", block off one end of it so that the street is a dead-end. This way the situation isn't dependent on cops being permanently stationed to see if someone is thru traffic.

If this gets more people walking and bicycling and taking public transit, that's the idea.

Many european cities have pedestrian-only zones with local deliveries allowed by commercial vehicles (who putter along slowly along with the pedestrians).

This model should be better for local businesses. Someone walking along a street is quite likely to see a cafe or ice cream shop or knickknacks shop and pop in for a look and maybe buy something. Someone driving past, if they have to find and pay for parking that isn't necessarily close by ... not so much.

Congestion charges (London UK) and low-emission-vehicle zones (Barcelona, among others) can be the sticks that go along with the carrots.

Here is the high-speed-rail station in Barcelona. Look at all the motorcycles parked across the street. There is parking for cars - but by North American standards, very little parking is available. You are expected to connect to local transit or take a taxi or walk to where you're going from here (which is what I did). Google Maps
I like these ideas. One road in Aurora tries to limit through traffic with a 50' stretch of one-way road. Seems to be mostly ignored as you can see the way is clear and shoot the gap. I wasnt in that section often but I never saw a cop.
 
No matter what you do, someone isn't going to like it.

Designate certain major streets as through roads. No bicycle lanes. No parking. No stopping. Designate other streets "no motorized vehicles except local deliveries". Basically pedestrian and bicycle zones with the occasional delivery truck (who has to get and display a pass in the windshield). Still others "local traffic only", parking allowed ... and to enforce "local traffic only", block off one end of it so that the street is a dead-end. This way the situation isn't dependent on cops being permanently stationed to see if someone is thru traffic.

If this gets more people walking and bicycling and taking public transit, that's the idea.

Many european cities have pedestrian-only zones with local deliveries allowed by commercial vehicles (who putter along slowly along with the pedestrians).

This model should be better for local businesses. Someone walking along a street is quite likely to see a cafe or ice cream shop or knickknacks shop and pop in for a look and maybe buy something. Someone driving past, if they have to find and pay for parking that isn't necessarily close by ... not so much.

Congestion charges (London UK) and low-emission-vehicle zones (Barcelona, among others) can be the sticks that go along with the carrots.

Here is the high-speed-rail station in Barcelona. Look at all the motorcycles parked across the street. There is parking for cars - but by North American standards, very little parking is available. You are expected to connect to local transit or take a taxi or walk to where you're going from here (which is what I did). Google Maps
Toronto and Mississauga have both said growth will be vertical and therefore higher density.

More cars means more lanes which requires land that isn't there. Imagine how one would widen Yonge Street, Queen?, King? Not going to happen.

Public transit is the answer if done properly.

People might be more tempted to use buses if they drove down the riders street but the rider doesn't want to live on a bus route.
 

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