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afong56 said:
from your source:

"In 62% of cases (64 of 104) in which the cyclist collided with a vehicle (defined as a motor vehicle, streetcar or train), one or more modifiable actions on the part of the driver were identified which were felt to have contributed to the death."

those modifiable actions include speeding. the source you use finds causality attached, but you don't. lol, nice cherry-picking. dismiss it all you want, but if one can arbitrarily discount findings then what value does your source actually have? apparently none, which means your argument has the same value.

. . .good work
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Speed generally doesn't cause incidents. It results in an inability to avoid an incident. That invalidates 30% of the data, outright. For this reason my position is that the cyclists' behaviour is what should be modified.

And I've already stated what I think of the source based on the recommendations, which are not actually supported in the data.
 
And people are worried that gems like this are lost when the server barfs?!?! :-D
 
More people will go biking because TTC/CITY (aka Socialists to the highest degree) announced they’ll need to raise property taxes for the next 30 years to pay for TTC.

Mean while in Asia, news reports show mass migrants coming from North America trying to escape communist rule.
 
BLUE_KAWI said:
More people will go biking because TTC/CITY (aka Socialists to the highest degree) announced they’ll need to raise property taxes for the next 30 years to pay for TTC.

Mean while in Asia, news reports show mass migrants coming from North America trying to escape communist rule.
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Just out of curiousity, WTF are you trying to say, exactly?

We need transit. Transit costs money. Money isn't free. Who do you think should pay for city infrastructure?
 
BLUE_KAWI said:
More people will go biking because TTC/CITY (aka Socialists to the highest degree) announced they’ll need to raise property taxes for the next 30 years to pay for TTC.

Mean while in Asia, news reports show mass migrants coming from North America trying to escape communist rule.
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Get your facts straight. The TTC is one of the most (if not most) self-funding transit system in all of North America. Essentially no other transit system in a metropolitan area receives so little funding from overall tax revenue (municipal, provincial, federal) as the TTC. It has the highest percentage of its budget accounted for by fares. Insufficient funding is one of the key reasons (in addition to planning, etc) why the system hasn't grown sufficiently. The municipal portion of funding for the TTC is largely derived from taxes obtained from the residents of Toronto, meanwhile, the system itself is used by residents of Toronto and essentially all of the surrounding cities.

To cry about socialist governments with Harper in power and Ford as mayor is hilarious.
 
BLUE_KAWI said:
More people will go biking because TTC/CITY (aka Socialists to the highest degree) announced they’ll need to raise property taxes for the next 30 years to pay for TTC.

Mean while in Asia, news reports show mass migrants coming from North America trying to escape communist rule.
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I normally ignore your posts but this one gives me the rare opportunity to try and blow your mind. Hopefully literally.

Lets start with a few simple premises;
1- According to you, public transit is a socialist ill.
2- All major cities in the world have a mass transit system.
3- None of them are financially self-sufficient, they all require public funding.

If all these premises are correct then the only conclusion is that all cities in the world suffer a socialist ill.

If you don't agree with that conclusion then you have to accept one or more of the following: Either a) socialism can provide a net benefit in some circumstances, or b) public transit is not socialist, or c) all major metropolitain areas in the world are poorly run.

So which is it BK?
 
Taxes going to infrastructure??

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!11
 
suzuki2000 said:
All the power to those that wish to ride a bicycle, but they need to observe the rules of the road and exercise common courtesy to others sharing the road.

Last weekend, i had some aweful cylist experiences in the foor hills north of Fonthill.

1st group were a group that wanted to ride 4-5 wide in front of me. i gave them a honk they moved in, I passed as they all raised their fists shaking them at me while moving to take over the entire road again, while almost riding my wife off the road wo was also passing them, but they didn't pay attention to her..

Then I run into the big ride for cancer. I think it is great that these people chose to do somethng to support a worthy cause and koodos to them. But riding 4 wide and into incoming traffic, not yielding is not cool :angry5:

I tried to evade this pack several times, but we kept coming across them as we made our way in the opposite direction of their travel.

Several times we would get held up at their crossings of road, so I comment to one of the NRP weekend wannabe cops that they are riding dangerously into my lane etc. he tells me "Well they rasied 18 million dollars...." I ask him if that gives them the right to endanger me, themselves and others, so he also explains that many are also cancer survivors. I think this is great and any survival stories are great, but it would be tragic to survive cancer only to be killed riding a bike because you can't follow simple road safety or possibly worse yet kill someone else .


Anyways.... I lost more respect for cyclists that day then ever before. I wish I had asked that cop exactly what the amount was that buys you the right to endanger others. Did they get this right at $5M, $10M....?
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Ride to Conquer Cancer. I volunteer at that event, and I share your aggravation. The cyclists were taking over entire roads, including oncoming lanes. They couldn't seem to understand that the roads were not closed to the public, and they still had to share the road. As a person trying to support the safety crew, it became additionally frustrating, as I had to spend all day along the entire route in that mess. Compounding to all that is the police officers, volunteers, and others who feel that because this is a charity event, they are entitled to the road without any rules, and tell the cyclists the opposite of the truth. 10 volunteers can yell "stop" but they only listen to the one who says "go".

Believe me when I say that the organizers and leaders of the event were frequent to stress that the rules of the road still applied, that they had to share the road with local traffic, and had to be safe. Problem is, when you get 6000 people who decide to do their own thing, there is no stopping it. I'm sorry you were inconvenienced, the event does try to mitigate that, but people will still do what they want to.
 
suprPHREAK said:
Ride to Conquer Cancer. I volunteer at that event, and I share your aggravation. The cyclists were taking over entire roads, including oncoming lanes. They couldn't seem to understand that the roads were not closed to the public, and they still had to share the road. As a person trying to support the safety crew, it became additionally frustrating, as I had to spend all day along the entire route in that mess. Compounding to all that is the police officers, volunteers, and others who feel that because this is a charity event, they are entitled to the road without any rules, and tell the cyclists the opposite of the truth. 10 volunteers can yell "stop" but they only listen to the one who says "go".

Believe me when I say that the organizers and leaders of the event were frequent to stress that the rules of the road still applied, that they had to share the road with local traffic, and had to be safe. Problem is, when you get 6000 people who decide to do their own thing, there is no stopping it. I'm sorry you were inconvenienced, the event does try to mitigate that, but people will still do what they want to.
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This is the point, how do we expect cyclist to just know the laws of the roads. That courtesy was not extended to car and motorcycle users.
 
IV. said:
This is the point, how do we expect cyclist to just know the laws of the roads. That courtesy was not extended to car and motorcycle users.
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We get it Michael Bryant, you don't like cyclists.
 
IV. said:
Clearly you do not get it.
Please find the most where I made such a statement.

You seem to have an issue with personal responsibility along with a sense of entitlement.
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says the guy whose has tears running down his face in every post.
 
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