And they tend to forget the legal requirement that slower vehicles must turn out to the right, in order for faster vehicles to pass (HTA Section 147).
Along with your legal rights, you get a set of legal responsibilities.
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And they tend to forget the legal requirement that slower vehicles must turn out to the right, in order for faster vehicles to pass (HTA Section 147).
Along with your legal rights, you get a set of legal responsibilities.
kickstartt
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when there's too many of them they will turn into pests... and i hope there will be pest control
suzuki2000
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D23, that is pretty messed up...
I would never condone an act like that, but "Critical Mass" is designed to get attention. From what I've heard the vast majority of that attention, from outside those who take part, has been very negative. Quite frankly I was pretty surprised that this sort of thing didn't happen during the last Critical Mass in Vancouver.
suzuki2000
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Reading the MTO link above, I would love to see any of the following enforced. Until it is there is no education.
Cycling and The Law
A bicycle is a vehicle under the Ontario Highway Traffic Act (HTA). This means that, as a bicyclist, you have the same rights and responsibilities to obey all traffic laws as other road users. Cyclists charged for disobeying traffic laws will be subject to a minimum set fine and a Victim Surcharge fine of $20.00 for most offences (please note set fines below are subject to change).
The following are key sections of the HTA concerning cyclists.
HTA 144/136 - Traffic signals and signsstop for red lights and stop signs and comply with all other signs. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 153 - One-ways streetsride in the designated direction on one-way streets. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 147 - Slow moving traffic travel on right sideany vehicle moving slower than the normal traffic speed should drive in the right-hand lane, or as close as practicable to the right edge of the road except when preparing to turn left or when passing another vehicle. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 142 - Signalling a turnbefore turning, look behind you and signal your turn. Cyclists can use their right arm to signal a right turn. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 140(1) 144(29) - Crosswalksyield or stop for pedestrians at crosswalks. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 140(6)/144(29) - No riding in crosswalkswalk your bike when crossing at a crosswalk. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 166 - Streetcarsstop two metres behind streetcar doors and wait until passengers have boarded or departed and reached the curb. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 175 (12) - Stopped school busesstop for stopped school buses when the upper alternating red lights are flashing. Set fine: $400.00
HTA 62(17) - Lightsa bike must have a white front light and a red rear light or reflector if you ride between 1/2 hour before sunset and 1/2 hour after sunrise and white reflective tape on the front forks and red reflective tape on rear forks. Set fine: $20.00
HTA 75 (5) - Bella bike must have a bell or horn in good working order. Set fine: $85.00HTA 64(3) - Brakesa bike must have at least one brake system on the rear wheel. When you put on the brakes, you should be able to skid on dry, level pavement. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 218 - IdentificationCyclists must stop and identify themselves when required to stop by police for breaking traffic laws. The police officer will ask you for your correct name and address. Set fine: $85.00
HTA Reg. 630 - ExpresswaysBicycles are prohibited on expressway / freeway highways such as the 400 series, the QEW, Ottawa Queensway and on roads where "No Bicycle" signs are posted. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 178(2) - PassengersPassengers are not allowed on a bicycle designed for one person. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 178(1) - Attaching to a vehicleYou are not permitted to attach yourself to the outside of another vehicle or streetcar for the purpose of "hitching a ride." Set fine: $85.00
HTA 104 - HelmetsEvery cyclist under the age of eighteen must wear an approved bicycle helmet. Parents or guardians shall not knowingly permit cyclists under sixteen to ride without a helmet. Set fine: $60.00
HTA 179 - Dismounted bicyclistCyclists are required to ride on the right-hand side of the road. If you are walking your bike on a highway where there are no sidewalks, you are considered a pedestrian and you should walk on the left-hand side of the road facing traffic. If it is not safe for you to cross the road to face traffic, you may walk your bike on the right-hand side of the road. Set fine: $35.00.
The following are not considered bicycles and are subject to different rules for use:
Cycling and The Law
A bicycle is a vehicle under the Ontario Highway Traffic Act (HTA). This means that, as a bicyclist, you have the same rights and responsibilities to obey all traffic laws as other road users. Cyclists charged for disobeying traffic laws will be subject to a minimum set fine and a Victim Surcharge fine of $20.00 for most offences (please note set fines below are subject to change).
The following are key sections of the HTA concerning cyclists.
HTA 144/136 - Traffic signals and signsstop for red lights and stop signs and comply with all other signs. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 153 - One-ways streetsride in the designated direction on one-way streets. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 147 - Slow moving traffic travel on right sideany vehicle moving slower than the normal traffic speed should drive in the right-hand lane, or as close as practicable to the right edge of the road except when preparing to turn left or when passing another vehicle. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 142 - Signalling a turnbefore turning, look behind you and signal your turn. Cyclists can use their right arm to signal a right turn. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 140(1) 144(29) - Crosswalksyield or stop for pedestrians at crosswalks. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 140(6)/144(29) - No riding in crosswalkswalk your bike when crossing at a crosswalk. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 166 - Streetcarsstop two metres behind streetcar doors and wait until passengers have boarded or departed and reached the curb. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 175 (12) - Stopped school busesstop for stopped school buses when the upper alternating red lights are flashing. Set fine: $400.00
HTA 62(17) - Lightsa bike must have a white front light and a red rear light or reflector if you ride between 1/2 hour before sunset and 1/2 hour after sunrise and white reflective tape on the front forks and red reflective tape on rear forks. Set fine: $20.00
HTA 75 (5) - Bella bike must have a bell or horn in good working order. Set fine: $85.00HTA 64(3) - Brakesa bike must have at least one brake system on the rear wheel. When you put on the brakes, you should be able to skid on dry, level pavement. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 218 - IdentificationCyclists must stop and identify themselves when required to stop by police for breaking traffic laws. The police officer will ask you for your correct name and address. Set fine: $85.00
HTA Reg. 630 - ExpresswaysBicycles are prohibited on expressway / freeway highways such as the 400 series, the QEW, Ottawa Queensway and on roads where "No Bicycle" signs are posted. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 178(2) - PassengersPassengers are not allowed on a bicycle designed for one person. Set fine: $85.00
HTA 178(1) - Attaching to a vehicleYou are not permitted to attach yourself to the outside of another vehicle or streetcar for the purpose of "hitching a ride." Set fine: $85.00
HTA 104 - HelmetsEvery cyclist under the age of eighteen must wear an approved bicycle helmet. Parents or guardians shall not knowingly permit cyclists under sixteen to ride without a helmet. Set fine: $60.00
HTA 179 - Dismounted bicyclistCyclists are required to ride on the right-hand side of the road. If you are walking your bike on a highway where there are no sidewalks, you are considered a pedestrian and you should walk on the left-hand side of the road facing traffic. If it is not safe for you to cross the road to face traffic, you may walk your bike on the right-hand side of the road. Set fine: $35.00.
The following are not considered bicycles and are subject to different rules for use:
- Limited-speed motorcycles
- Motor-assisted bicycles (mopeds)
- Low-speed vehicles
- Electric and motorized scooters (go-peds)
- Pocket bikes
- Segway Human/Personal Transporters
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I hate the arrogance displayed by many of them, I wouldn't wish too much harm on them... :lmao: Just a bath... in smoke...
invictus43
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Annddd...here we go again..
http://www.thestar.com/news/article...r-truck-side-guards-helmets-for-everyone?bn=1
I like the part about only 27% of fatal accident victims were wearing helmets..implying that by wearing a helmet, all of those fatalities could have been prevented. Gee, how does the helmet help when a dump truck runs over your head??
http://www.thestar.com/news/article...r-truck-side-guards-helmets-for-everyone?bn=1
I like the part about only 27% of fatal accident victims were wearing helmets..implying that by wearing a helmet, all of those fatalities could have been prevented. Gee, how does the helmet help when a dump truck runs over your head??
. . .when safe to do so. . .lol, guess who gets to decide that?
i'm all for cyclist responsibility, but clearly there's education that needs to happen on all sides here. . .
invictus43
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Yeah, I've been trying to figure out how to remove a bunch of people I consider to be pests..but the frickin law keeps putting an end to that!! One day...
invictus43
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Definitely.. I don't feel a bit bad though when a clown on a bike rides up the inside of a truck turning right with his indicator clearly on then proceeds to fall under the rear wheels. I'm sorry..but use your frickin head. I find automobile drivers to be far more considerate than most bicycle riders in this city..and I'm a bicycle rider!!
The cop, who is supposed to write them a ticket for obstructing traffic? If the lane is clear, then the cyclist has no reason to block it.
Well when it comes to cyclists (and e-bike riders) I wish that I had the time to stand around, and educate them. The ones who ride through pedestrian malls at 20+ Kmh. The ones who ride through the Yonge and Dundas 'pedestrian scramble'. The ones who make turns while riding, where turns are prohibited. The ones who ride the wrong way, down one-way streets. The ones who ride their full-sized bikes on sidewalks, especially where the adjacent road has a bicycle lane. The ones who weave through traffic. The ones who blow through stop signs and lights.
I could go on, but I think that you get the picture.
Same here. I'm convinced if bicyclists also drove cars, they would see things from the other side and not ride like suicidal morons.
What, you don't think that they would all drive hybrids while giving each other the thumbs up and saying, "Good for you!
"Oh, that was Venom, wasn't it? Still applies though.
I just finished a quick glance at the study, itself. As I say I just glanced at it, but I didn't see any reference to the percentage of total riders who wear helmets. If only 27% of all riders wear helmets, then it's a non-statistic. The following table was, however, of interest to me. So the majority of cyclist deaths involved cyclist actions, but it must be addressed by educating everyone (else) and altering roads?
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sleezyray
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What, you don't think that they would all drive hybrids while giving each other the thumbs up and saying, "Good for you!
Oh, that was Venom, wasn't it? Still applies though.
Am sorry you all feel that way about bicyclist. Say what you want about them but usually it's their lives thats at risk not yours. Now, motorcyclists complaining about cyclists? Talk about irony. How will you like to be passed by an idiot in your own lane on the 401. am on the far right lane in my car, truck is next to me and biker decides to pass us both in my lane doing over 150km. 2 am in the morning and all other lanes available. No excuse for stupidity. This was two weeks ago, and i know he is reading this ****. Every year event like this happens to me, enough that i have lost any measure of compassion one might have towards a stranded biker as an example.
As this thread is primarily about cyclists, my comments are primarily about cyclists. You must have missed page 1, though, where I also commented about motorcyclists, scooter riders, and passenger vehicle drivers.
suzuki2000
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We had a 13 year old kid killed around the corner from my house a number of years ago, He and some friends wnet out on the service road and turned out into the lane where a 19 year old was driving his pick up. The 19 year old struck the 13 year old and killed him. The driver was not at fault as was determined by courts, but he does have to go through life knowing that he killed a 13 year old.
Sadly, even after witnessing what happened that day, the kids friends still rode the same, riding out in from of cars, not looking, no cares as to the consequences. Thankfully these kids are grown now (19/20 if that's grown).
Sadly, even after witnessing what happened that day, the kids friends still rode the same, riding out in from of cars, not looking, no cares as to the consequences. Thankfully these kids are grown now (19/20 if that's grown).
suzuki2000
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Sleezyray, all people who operate vehicles, motorized or otherwise do and will do stupid things, Hey I got passed bty a car at over 150kms last summer, he used some of my lane and the shoulder.
As has been said several times, people need to ride/drive/walk like the are invisible, I think this get confused with invincible.
In the end nobody wants to be the person that is killed or kills another. Ride /drive responsibly and you reduce your risks. If you choose to be arrogant and take inapporpriate risks you move up the scale. The smaller your means of transport your survival deminishes helmet or no helmet.
If you want to base the arguement on moral victory of who is more right or wrong, there are no winners when bad things happen only losers
As has been said several times, people need to ride/drive/walk like the are invisible, I think this get confused with invincible.
In the end nobody wants to be the person that is killed or kills another. Ride /drive responsibly and you reduce your risks. If you choose to be arrogant and take inapporpriate risks you move up the scale. The smaller your means of transport your survival deminishes helmet or no helmet.
If you want to base the arguement on moral victory of who is more right or wrong, there are no winners when bad things happen only losers
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