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TMP Aug 11 and 12th

Now that you'll be doing a track day without having taken a training course first ...

Be at the track with plenty of time to spare. You will have to unload and set up your paddock area, register and go through tech, and attend a rider's meeting. Pay attention in that rider's meeting considering that you have not done one before. Pay particular attention to the meaning of the flags and what you are supposed to do upon seeing a red flag. Some organizations require that you stop at the next available marshal station, others require you to continue at reduced speed to the exit from the track. Common to ALL red-flag situations is that you must NOT slam on the brakes. Best thing is to shut the throttle and coast, and put your left hand straight up in the air immediately. The reason for this is that it is quite possible that the rider behind you did not see the flag. If you slam on the brakes, you get rear ended. Hand up in the air attracts attention "There is a problem and I'm slowing down". Likewise, if you see another rider doing that, that's what it means ... and make sure you didn't miss seeing a red flag. "Stop at the next marshal station" does NOT mean slam on the brakes because you are about to pass one. It basically means stop at the next marshal station that you can COAST to. If that means coasting past the first marshal station ... so be it. Don't forget that in a red-flag or yellow-flag situation, you still have to ride the bike. Corners still come up fast when you are coasting. You still have to ride the bike.

First laps in green group will usually (not always) be behind an instructor to keep the speed down. Even if that's not the case, do the first few laps at low speed without passing anyone. Remember which way the track goes. Take note of where the flagging stations are. Work up your pace gradually. Figure out where you have to brake, where you have to turn in, where you have to aim the bike toward, which gear to be in, evolve that towards the number of upshifts and downshifts on each straightaway rather than actually knowing what gear it's in, take note of any markers on or next to the track that you can use as reference points.

Don't forget to use the WHOLE track. There are no lanes.

And the reason that I have pretty much stopped doing track days ... the general failure of other (untrained) riders to be predictable to others. If you are on a straightaway, go STRAIGHT towards your next turn-in point. Don't change your mind in the braking zone. If you make an error and are only (say) two-thirds of the way to the left of the track as you approach a corner as opposed to all the way to the left, DON'T CHANGE YOUR MIND. Stay the course. There could be another rider approaching from the back at much higher speed with a much later braking marker who has already made a decision to go around you on the outside because you are too far to the inside and they cannot have a good line through the corner by going inside you. If you change your mind and wander to the left while braking, and that rider behind is going 50 km/h faster and already braking as hard as they can with the rear wheel skimming the ground, you are cutting off their line, and it could get ugly.

I've been that guy approaching from behind. (Calabogie, going into corner 5, red group, which means the other rider ought to have known better - and realistically, shouldn't have been in that group and should have had a training course.) Didn't crash, but I was right on the painted line at the edge of the track with the rear wheel skipping off the ground, and it was far too close to comfort. I'm not even sure if the rider in front knew what just about happened to him. That's what ended my last retirement period from roadracing.
 
Now that you'll be doing a track day without having taken a training course first ...

Be at the track with plenty of time to spare. You will have to unload and set up your paddock area, register and go through tech, and attend a rider's meeting. Pay attention in that rider's meeting considering that you have not done one before. Pay particular attention to the meaning of the flags and what you are supposed to do upon seeing a red flag. Some organizations require that you stop at the next available marshal station, others require you to continue at reduced speed to the exit from the track. Common to ALL red-flag situations is that you must NOT slam on the brakes. Best thing is to shut the throttle and coast, and put your left hand straight up in the air immediately. The reason for this is that it is quite possible that the rider behind you did not see the flag. If you slam on the brakes, you get rear ended. Hand up in the air attracts attention "There is a problem and I'm slowing down". Likewise, if you see another rider doing that, that's what it means ... and make sure you didn't miss seeing a red flag. "Stop at the next marshal station" does NOT mean slam on the brakes because you are about to pass one. It basically means stop at the next marshal station that you can COAST to. If that means coasting past the first marshal station ... so be it. Don't forget that in a red-flag or yellow-flag situation, you still have to ride the bike. Corners still come up fast when you are coasting. You still have to ride the bike.

First laps in green group will usually (not always) be behind an instructor to keep the speed down. Even if that's not the case, do the first few laps at low speed without passing anyone. Remember which way the track goes. Take note of where the flagging stations are. Work up your pace gradually. Figure out where you have to brake, where you have to turn in, where you have to aim the bike toward, which gear to be in, evolve that towards the number of upshifts and downshifts on each straightaway rather than actually knowing what gear it's in, take note of any markers on or next to the track that you can use as reference points.

Don't forget to use the WHOLE track. There are no lanes.

And the reason that I have pretty much stopped doing track days ... the general failure of other (untrained) riders to be predictable to others. If you are on a straightaway, go STRAIGHT towards your next turn-in point. Don't change your mind in the braking zone. If you make an error and are only (say) two-thirds of the way to the left of the track as you approach a corner as opposed to all the way to the left, DON'T CHANGE YOUR MIND. Stay the course. There could be another rider approaching from the back at much higher speed with a much later braking marker who has already made a decision to go around you on the outside because you are too far to the inside and they cannot have a good line through the corner by going inside you. If you change your mind and wander to the left while braking, and that rider behind is going 50 km/h faster and already braking as hard as they can with the rear wheel skimming the ground, you are cutting off their line, and it could get ugly.

I've been that guy approaching from behind. (Calabogie, going into corner 5, red group, which means the other rider ought to have known better - and realistically, shouldn't have been in that group and should have had a training course.) Didn't crash, but I was right on the painted line at the edge of the track with the rear wheel skipping off the ground, and it was far too close to comfort. I'm not even sure if the rider in front knew what just about happened to him. That's what ended my last retirement period from roadracing.

Thank you Brian. I'll come back and re-read your post many times before my track day. Also the stickies threads in this section, as well as the few books on riding I have, which I've read once and came back to look at sections many times already.

Once again, I'm very glad I posted here and found out that starting in Intermediate group is stupid and irresponsible, no matter how fast I "think" I can ride.
 
Great track day today "Guys with Bikes". Really well organized considering the crazyness that went on yesterday! The girl that went down right at the beginning of the day (in turn 6 iirc) is perfectly fine, and after a new clipon, lever, windshield, etc., her bike will be back like new too :)

A few pics of my girlfriend Christina (on the grey bike) and her friend Jenn (that crashed): http://www.flickr.com/photos/50880854@N07/sets/72157631043291020/show/

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Also, I was wondering if there is any room left in the "intro to track" course on Sept 1st? If so, I'd like to book it for myself :) It wasn't clear from the TMP website if Sept 1st was just a rain date for yesterdays course, or if it was for booking as well!

-Jamie M.
 
Yea great job today guys. Just wish the rain stayed away :( cleared up quick but, after an hour lunch ...all i wanted to do was ride lol
 
You were called, you didn't answer.
The option to ride in the pouring rain was offered - I'm quite sure the ride in the dry the next day was a much better idea.

In the grand scheme of things I believe that things worked out for the best and you ended up happy.

Other organizers won't give a rain cheque and will force you to ride in the rain. I thought it was very nice of TMP to give you a rain cheque for later.

Donald

So, thanks tmp for canceling my track day 2 hours before it starts then not refunding me for it. I spent $500 to get my bike ready for this day that I wouldn't have needed to spend cuz I would've had time to do it myself. As well as renting a trailer. I am VERY displeased. You owe me BIG TIME.

Oh, and the fact that you didn't notify me that it was cancelled. My friend had to tell me it was, thank god, saving me a 2 hour trip.
 
Sept 1st is setup to be used as a rain date for intro to track school. IF enough people register for it then it will run.

Great track day today "Guys with Bikes". Really well organized considering the crazyness that went on yesterday! The girl that went down right at the beginning of the day (in turn 6 iirc) is perfectly fine, and after a new clipon, lever, windshield, etc., her bike will be back like new too :)

A few pics of my girlfriend Christina (on the grey bike) and her friend Jenn (that crashed): http://www.flickr.com/photos/50880854@N07/sets/72157631043291020/show/

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Also, I was wondering if there is any room left in the "intro to track" course on Sept 1st? If so, I'd like to book it for myself :) It wasn't clear from the TMP website if Sept 1st was just a rain date for yesterdays course, or if it was for booking as well!

-Jamie M.
 
You were called, you didn't answer.
The option to ride in the pouring rain was offered - I'm quite sure the ride in the dry the next day was a much better idea.

In the grand scheme of things I believe that things worked out for the best and you ended up happy.

Other organizers won't give a rain cheque and will force you to ride in the rain. I thought it was very nice of TMP to give you a rain cheque for later.

Donald
I will probably end up riding on the first, but the option of a refund would be nice since your website says the track days run rain or shine and you were the ones canceling not us.

I enjoyed my day regardless. :)
And thanks for the suspension setup, it feels much better.
 
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I will probably end up riding on the first, but the option of a refund would be nice since your website says the track days run rain or shine and you were the ones canceling not us.

I enjoyed my day regardless. :)
And thanks for the suspension setup, it feels much better.

Don't know about you but I asked and was given the option to use the money towards trackday registrations of my choice. To me that's equal to a refund since otherwise I'd be paying for these track days anyway.

....The option to ride in the pouring rain was offered - I'm quite sure the ride in the dry the next day was a much better idea.

In all fairness, I was not offered the option to ride in the pouring rain. But maybe I should be thankful for that, otherwise I would have probably opted to ride...and possibly crash.

Also, with all the commotion around the cancelling of the Saturday and scrambling to find a date for a track day soon that agrees with my work schedule, I completely blanked out about the fact there's a track day on Sunday...so I missed that and I feel like somebody ate my breakfast :'(
 
Trackdays do run in the rain. I decided to call off the school as riding in the rain is not fun and slippery.

Let's be 100% clear here.
I called off the day as 99% of people are very happy to not ride in the rain as they understand it's not fun.
When I told you it was called off and you were offered a credit for the Sept 1st date or one next year which I believed was more than fair. You were upset and demanded your money back - I then said fine - I'll run the school in the rain for you specifically. Immediately you changed your mind and said YOU did not want to ride in the rain.

Since you said that you did not want to ride the school in the rain I think that by TMP offerening you a credit for Sept 1st or next year that it was very accomodating of them.

Other schools/track days will say ride in the rain and good luck with it.

I do my best to make everyone happy, it's very hard to do sometimes.

Donald

I will probably end up riding on the first, but the option of a refund would be nice since your website says the track days run rain or shine and you were the ones canceling not us.

I enjoyed my day regardless. :)
And thanks for the suspension setup, it feels much better.
 
And Sunday was a great day. Not very many there so only 2 groups and tons of track time. I'm just beat today. Thanks Donald, Chris and crew and TMP. Nice to meet a few new ppl. HB (Jeff) you were flying on Teals R1 there. Good to meet you.
 
So TMP called to cancel in consideration for the fact that new riders (students) will be riding in the rain and offered a rain check (which never happens)
Then when rider got upset about it, they offered to run the school for just one person
Then when the rider changed their mind again kept the offer for a rain check
and then proceeded to set up the suspension of said rider

... lol bad TMP bad TMP
 
Just for reference, I had to pay $60 to have a professional set up the suspension for me on my bike earlier this year..
 
Yea it was definitly an awesome day. A lot of track time lol met some great people Mark, Rob, Rob and others lol i suck at bames but good at faces lol Heading back out on the 25th for the GTA DAY! Hope yo see sone familiar faces and have a good full sunny day :)
 
Trackdays do run in the rain. I decided to call off the school as riding in the rain is not fun and slippery.

Let's be 100% clear here.
I called off the day as 99% of people are very happy to not ride in the rain as they understand it's not fun.
When I told you it was called off and you were offered a credit for the Sept 1st date or one next year which I believed was more than fair. You were upset and demanded your money back - I then said fine - I'll run the school in the rain for you specifically. Immediately you changed your mind and said YOU did not want to ride in the rain.

Since you said that you did not want to ride the school in the rain I think that by TMP offerening you a credit for Sept 1st or next year that it was very accomodating of them.

Other schools/track days will say ride in the rain and good luck with it.

I do my best to make everyone happy, it's very hard to do sometimes.

Donald

I never said I wanted to run in the rain. I never even spoke to you about it, you left a message on my phone saying it was canceled. I believe you were speaking to my friend not me. All I wanted was earlier warning so That I didn't have to run around getting a trailer etc. In the moment I was ticked off but it was still a good call to postpone it. And I thank you for that.
 
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So TMP called to cancel in consideration for the fact that new riders (students) will be riding in the rain and offered a rain check (which never happens)
Then when rider got upset about it, they offered to run the school for just one person
Then when the rider changed their mind again kept the offer for a rain check
and then proceeded to set up the suspension of said rider

... lol bad TMP bad TMP
They did not offer to run it for one person. They offered to to everyone in the group. For **** sake people, all I wanted was earlier warning.
 
Just for reference, I had to pay $60 to have a professional set up the suspension for me on my bike earlier this year..

It was a pretty great price they had. I recommend doing it at the track with them than having a shop do it before hand.
 
It was a pretty great price they had. I recommend doing it at the track with them than having a shop do it before hand.

No, not a shop, a well known to the community guy did it for me, who works for the racing elite and doing the same on their bikes. PM for name and contacts, I'm sure you might have came across the name before.

I'm so jealous of you people, looks like you had a wonderful Sunday! I am an idiot, could have been at the track than watching olympic ceremonies all day... :sad1:
 
Theres always another day :) ...and come out on the 25th than for the GTAM track day... I will see ya there lol
 
Whoever I talked to on the phone was offered it to be run only for them. I don't know if it was you or your friend, but they were very upset that I suggested that running in the rain would be unwise, so I offered to do it only for them in an attempt to make things better.

They did not offer to run it for one person. They offered to to everyone in the group. For **** sake people, all I wanted was earlier warning.
 

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