Time to Replace The Company Wheels - Help me Decide

After all that debate you ended up doing what your wife says?

I am so greviously disappointed.

Oh well at least you don't have to bother picking which clothes you wear to work in the morning.

If putting his foot down to make the authoritative decision that he's gonna buy a Jetta wagon come hell or high water is a defining part of his manliness, then there was no hope to begin with.

On the other hand making a sacrifice to help his wife feel safer behind the wheel is wussy?
 
The company is kind of funny in some of the criteria. No AWD, leather or sunroof options.
Of all the company policies on vehicles that I have heard in the past, this has got to be the stupidest... no AWD? Is there any good reason to this policy?

Speaking to the rest of your post...

The VW would be my first choice, but (without looking at google images) wouldn't it be too small for what you're looking for? Second would be the Ford, only because their product has been getting better lately. Third is the Rogue because I'm not a fan of the looks. Fourth choice would be walking... And the journey would be an outright no.

Drive a 2008-2012 Imprezza (not the newest model). I don't like the new ones, they are underpowered compared to previous gen.
Super comfy seats and LOTS of headroom.
The interior of the older Imprezza's ('08 to '11 I believe) give off a "cheap" impression. I sat in one last year when looking to buy a car and knew instantly I wouldn't buy it. The newest Imprezza has a "weaker" engine (which to some extent has been adjusted for with new gearing in the trans.), but it also has much better fuel economy.

I would suggest a Legacy, but the drive-by-wire system SUCKS!
 
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Of all the company policies on vehicles that I have heard in the past, this has got to be the stupidest... no AWD? Is there any good reason to this policy?

Speaking to the rest of your post...

The VW would be my first choice, but (without looking at google images) wouldn't it be too small for what you're looking for? Second would be the Ford, only because their product has been getting better lately. Third is the Rogue because I'm not a fan of the looks. Fourth choice would be walking... And the journey would be an outright no.


The interior of the older Imprezza's ('08 to '11 I believe) give off a "cheap" impression. I sat in one last year when looking to buy a car and knew instantly I wouldn't buy it. The newest Imprezza has a "weaker" engine (which to some extent has been adjusted for with new gearing in the trans.), but it also has much better fuel economy.

I would suggest a Legacy, but the drive-by-wire system SUCKS!



The company does provide winter tires.


I got the front windows tinted to match the rest of the glass so no one can see me drive it until I have to get out and meet with a client or take them somewhere.
 
If putting his foot down to make the authoritative decision that he's gonna buy a Jetta wagon come hell or high water is a defining part of his manliness, then there was no hope to begin with.

On the other hand making a sacrifice to help his wife feel safer behind the wheel is wussy?
I was making a joke. However I still find it concerning that despite any and all of his research the wife got to make the final decision final. But ya happy wife happy life I guess.

The company does provide winter tires.


I got the front windows tinted to match the rest of the glass so no one can see me drive it until I have to get out and meet with a client or take them somewhere.


Winter tires are not an alternative for AWD.

I suspect AWD vehicles are no due to maintenance costs for abused (read company vehicle) AWD systems. Fixing an AWD car get expensive when **** breaks.
 
Forget feel safe, that is a load... better to be safe, here are the ratings. The VW looks good, the others....

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx


All that doesn't matter unless the wife signs off on it too....

What I'm trying to wrap my head around is that this company vehicle that OP will drive the most, has to appeal to his wife for the times when she drives with him?? huh?
I've bounced this off of my woman and even she's laughing. Makes no sense.
 
All that doesn't matter unless the wife signs off on it too....

What I'm trying to wrap my head around is that this company vehicle that OP will drive the most, has to appeal to his wife for the times when she drives with him?? huh?
I've bounced this off of my woman and even she's laughing. Makes no sense.

Who wears the pants...scratch that, who has the penis?
 
Why do some people still think that it's 1961?
 

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I get to ride my choice of two motorcycles when ever I want. Never questioned by my wife or children. So, I don't mind giving their opinion a little more weight. My wife didn't have the final say. She made it known what she liked and what she didn't. I also brought two of my three kids to check things out too.


I get to spend a lot of seat time in various vehicles. Yes, I'd prefer the vw but, honestly, I like the Rogue and find it superior to the Escape. I'll enjoy my business trips just fine on my own with the Rogue. I'll also enjoy my time with my family when we do take the Rogue on road trips together.



Not sure what to say about not having AWD as an option for vehicles that could have it. I did carp about the lack of blue tooth availability a couple of years ago when it was mostly illegal to drive with a hand held cell across Canada. I believe all the vehicles now have blue tooth available.
 
Why do some people still think that it's 1961?

This isn't 1961, correct. But, here's what he said initially:

25 months and 135,XXX kms later, it's time to replace the company supplied Ford Escape XLT 4 cyl. Other than fuel and oil changes, it's been a pretty good little buggy.

Most driving is on my own for work. Regularly driving from London to Toronto and all over Ontario. SSM, Sudbury, Kingston, Montreal, Windsor etc.

60,000 plus kms a year in the seat, occasional trips with 3 or less kids and their gear. Occasional towing of a small pop trailer. (couple of times a year maybe)


.... I've already got a car...


Sounded to me like he'd be in it 95% of the time and the other 5% with the family/wife/kids, etc.
So wouldn't he have final say?
 
I get to ride my choice of two motorcycles when ever I want. Never questioned by my wife or children. So, I don't mind giving their opinion a little more weight. My wife didn't have the final say. She made it known what she liked and what she didn't. I also brought two of my three kids to check things out too.


I get to spend a lot of seat time in various vehicles. Yes, I'd prefer the vw but, honestly, I like the Rogue and find it superior to the Escape. I'll enjoy my business trips just fine on my own with the Rogue. I'll also enjoy my time with my family when we do take the Rogue on road trips together.



Not sure what to say about not having AWD as an option for vehicles that could have it. I did carp about the lack of blue tooth availability a couple of years ago when it was mostly illegal to drive with a hand held cell across Canada. I believe all the vehicles now have blue tooth available.

Well, that's more understandable than what you made it sound like previously.

Hope the new ride serves you well.
 
Why do some people still think that it's 1961?

Rob, I don't recall referring to the 60's.
If you look at the poll in my other thread "are men more feminine" (something like that), you will see that 75% of the replies said yes.
You will also see a few women take the time to write about their experiences.
Without writing a novel myself...in short men are becoming diluted and boring the life out of women.
bah, never mind
carry on...
 
Rob, I don't recall referring to the 60's.
If you look at the poll in my other thread "are men more feminine" (something like that), you will see that 75% of the replies said yes.
You will also see a few women take the time to write about their experiences.
Without writing a novel myself...in short men are becoming diluted and boring the life out of women.
bah, never mind
carry on...

So help me understand...

Is your interpretation of the poll results that we should ignore women more? Or all the time? And that's the way they like it?
 
So help me understand...

Is your interpretation of the poll results that we should ignore women more? Or all the time? And that's the way they like it?

I will try to simplify as best as I can.
First, EVERYONE should be treated equally and fairly.
Second, Men and Women are not equal...not the same on a biological level of how Nature made us.
Each has traits that the other side needs (I left out wants).

There are certain biological (not just sex) needs that women require from men. This occurs subconsciously for them (and men) also, they are born that way, it's in their DNA. When those needs are not being met they go a little "batty" and also get bored of said man and either cheat on him and or dump him.

Have you ever heard a woman say, I love a guy I can just walk all over, he gets my juices flowing, he turns me on so much?
Women want and need to be challenged, they need to feel that they also belong to a guy (not like property). They also need to FEEL that they are being emotionally supported by said guy too...but not for said guy to be a door mat and solve their problems for them.

I am sure you have heard women saying, there is something about him that drives me nuts, he just urks the crap out of me, but I like it...something along those lines. It turns them on naturally, it gives them that challenge and mystery to explore.

I have read your replies about women, you do what the vast majority of men do...you try to use your LOGIC, which is in your DNA.
Women are programmed by FEELINGS, in their DNA.
When you learn to communicate with women on an emotional level you will get much further AND get this, when you learn to communicate on a subconscious level (as well with your body language) it will make her desire you more. I will skip the subconscious conversation part.

When you can capture a woman's heart and mind then you are 1/3rd of the way there.
The other 3rd is allowing for mystery, excitement, challenge for them. This does not mean a constant shot of adrenaline in guy terms as yo might THINK. It could be as simple as you sending a card to her (by mail) saying Happy Valentines day in July...or Happy I am going to give it to you hard later day...or just to let you know, I think about you in the shower, she will say something like "you are so crazy" but what they tend to not say..."and I love it" it "turns me on".

The remaining 3rd = it's them, leave them alone to have some power, have some mystery, let her be a little girl and a grown woman at the same time. Learn to nurture the two while still being a bit of an "a-hole" as some of them might call it.
If you fail to drive a woman crazy sometimes then she will be bored of you. Remember the nature shows, the female runs away, the males compete and then must conquer her. You never see the female just lay there do you. If a woman does NOT feel safe with you then you are in trouble. Feeling safe does not just mean you can or try to beat up an intruder. It also means that if you can not stand up to her (when they go into one of those moods...again in their DNA) then how can you stand up FOR her against the world.
*This is important, remember this as it is what women mean. They are programmed for this part and do it without knowing it because it is like "breathing". When woman is giving you grief especially when you first meet them, they are just testing you to see how strong of a man you are. I have heard AMPLE women say "if he can not stand up to me, then how can he stand up for me against the world". Women need to feel safe, and she just tested you to see if you can do it. Most guys fail this test when they first meet women.

Women will NOT come up to you at a "bar" directly. YOU are the hunter (by nature). They will send you signals knowingly and unknowingly. The easiest for you to spot will be the eyes. She will look at you if she likes you for about 2 seconds...I think you know what I mean.
A certain way to know if a woman looks at you ( DO NOT EVER LOOK AWAY, you just told them you are WEAK) keep looking at her, she will look down, keep looking at her, she will look right back up at you, that's where you wink at her or just flash a smile or do a head nod as if to say "I caught you". That's your way to know that she initially likes you. There are several other ways but this easier for most guys to start with. Once you go over to her, it is now up to YOU to sink or swim. In that first minute or two, if you say the wrong word...one wrong word...you will turn her off. If you are able to engage her, then she will want more...that's when you LEAVE...remember they like mystery.
Get her number and leave. DO NOT be a cling on or lurker, you become CREEPY. LEAVE her alone with her friends or if you are out in public, leave her alone to be on her way. If you are in a grocery store, just leave and come back after she is gone.

What doe the nature shows tell and show us...the most dangerous animal are the mothers that are protecting their young.
Why is that? Humans and animals alike are taken care of by the female. After all, we are just a different form of an animal.


I just wrote you a very very simple guideline. Just are their are different types of men there are different types of women and you just have to modify the "formula" but as a man you need to know what type of "meat" you want to "hunt". The same goes for women, why do you think they almost always say they want a tall guy or at the least taller than them (it's in their DNA to need that, subconscious for offspring to be healthy and strong amongst the herd).



Watch the first few minutes of the movie the Tourist. Watch when Johny Dep is on the train with Angelina. Listen to the interaction, listen to what she is TELLING him to do or rather HOW TO TALK to a woman.


Seriously, Roasted might be able to help you further if what I am saying does not make sense to you.
 
Thank you for the unsolicited life skills advice.

Putting aside the merit of your diatribe so we can get back on topic, in what way does any of this tie in to the OP's decision to get the Rogue? And could you answer my previous questions too please?

Please tell me I didn't read that whole thing for nothing.
 
Thank you for the unsolicited life skills advice.

Putting aside the merit of your diatribe so we can get back on topic, in what way does any of this tie in to the OP's decision to get the Rogue? And could you answer my previous questions too please?

Please tell me I didn't read that whole thing for nothing.

Your responses in this thread clearly show you are incapable of pleasing a woman. Take the advice man. :laughing9:
 
So help me understand...

Is your interpretation of the poll results that we should ignore women more? Or all the time? And that's the way they like it?

Thank you for the unsolicited life skills advice.

Putting aside the merit of your diatribe so we can get back on topic, in what way does any of this tie in to the OP's decision to get the Rogue? And could you answer my previous questions too please?

Please tell me I didn't read that whole thing for nothing.

You really are obtuse.
As I said before you are an ignorant person.
YOU ASKED for HELP.

That is part of the problem women CAN SMELL about you.
You are WEAK and not a MAN, so you are a turn off to them.
You lack social skills even amongst men so for certain you are weak with women.

You strike me as the kind of guy that is afraid of strong women.
I bet when they shoot you down at a bar you run off and call them lesbians:lmao:
 
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