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*head shake*

I've been watching this thread with interest.

Its saddens me to see the mods threaten to abuse power and the discussion getting personal towards the poster(s).

If you've been on GTAM long enough, you would know that 90% of the threads never reach any "positive conclusions".

Look at the Riders Choice threads, the Android vs Apple, etc etc.

Its a discussion board, let people discuss, for crying out loud.

Leave the personal attacks out.

I thought GTAM would have been above this by now.
 
turbodish said:
I don't recall a motorcyclist ever being the target of internet vigilantes like this.
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Vigilanteism would involve punishment or retribution from outside the justice system, so not at all like this.

If you don't want discussion and rebuttal on the facts, then close this thread down. And unlike this post of your's, my responses in this thread have been to the point, on subject and without personal attack or insinuation against the person I'm responding to.
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Facts like being able to see his turn signal but not his brake lights, even in the shade? Or facts like "$40 dash cam"? Or facts like "being the target of internet vigilantes"?

We're all working with the same information, you're just applying a higher standard of proof such as is used in the legal system while everyone else is applying the lower standard of the court of public opinion, befitting the forum where the discussion is taking place. Your standard of proof might be"beyond resonable doubt" but our is "whatever makes most sense", and what makes most sense is that he is a scammer, for the reasons mentioned over and over and over again.
 
fastar1 said:
Your standard of proof might be"beyond resonable doubt" but our is "whatever makes most sense", and what makes most sense is that he is a scammer, for the reasons mentioned over and over and over again.
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Sustained.
 
fastar1 said:
Vigilanteism would involve punishment or retribution from outside the justice system, so not at all like this.



Facts like being able to see his turn signal but not his brake lights, even in the shade? Or facts like "$40 dash cam"? Or facts like "being the target of internet vigilantes"?
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$40 dash cam appears in several media outlets and on even more web sites. Do a google search on "herman sham $40 dash cam".

Is he not the target of internet vigilantes? Then what was happening on 4chan and for a time on RFD? Funny thing is that the tone on RFD is starting to change. Sober second thought finally kicking in?

Turn signals? Strange blink rate, though that might be because of LED bulbs or a burned out front bulb, but the colour of that blink (almost white) seems to be way off given that the taillight lens are red, not amber. Again, it makes me wonder about the quality of that $40 (according to many media reports) dash cam.
 
fastar1 said:
Your standard of proof might be"beyond resonable doubt" but our is "whatever makes most sense", and what makes most sense is that he is a scammer, for the reasons mentioned over and over and over again.
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What "makes most sense" to the angry villagers is what got a bunch of accused witchs hung or burned at the stake in Salem.
 
holy crap. are you suggesting now that the camera is the problem, and not ragu's car ?

or is this just a clever troll trick ?

if it is a clever troll trick ..... well done !
 
braveheart said:
holy crap. are you suggesting now that the camera is the problem, and not ragu's car ?

or is this just a clever troll trick ?

if it is a clever troll trick ..... well done !
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Clearly the camera is "not the problem". The problem remains with his rolling back on the grade, and the events that followed as committed by him, by Sham, and by the angry villagers on 4chan and other sites.
 
turbodish said:
Clearly the camera is "not the problem". The problem remains with his rolling back on the grade, and the events that followed as committed by him, by Sham, and by the angry villagers on 4chan and other sites.
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Turbo, If I'm ever caught standing over a pile of dead and dying bodies - riddled with bullet holes - while holding a gun with a smoking barrel in one hand and a bottle of whisky in the other, screaming "Blood For Odin!" directly into a surveillance video camera that has recorded the preceding 10minutes, I want you as my defense lawyer.
 
turbodish said:
Turn signals? Strange blink rate, though that might be because of LED bulbs or a burned out front bulb, but the colour of that blink (almost white) seems to be way off given that the taillight lens are red, not amber. Again, it makes me wonder about the quality of that $40 (according to many media reports) dash cam.
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sounds like you blaming shams camera to me....

turbodish said:
Clearly the camera is "not the problem". The problem remains with his rolling back on the grade, and the events that followed as committed by him, by Sham,and Turbodish, and by the angry villagers on 4chan and other sites.
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Fixed it for ya ;)
 
Gummiente said:
Turbo, If I'm ever caught standing over a pile of dead and dying bodies - riddled with bullet holes - while holding a gun with a smoking barrel in one hand and a bottle of whisky in the other, screaming "Blood For Odin!" directly into a surveillance video camera that has recorded the preceding 10minutes, I want you as my defense lawyer.
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Is that what happened on the 401 that day?
 
turbodish said:
What "makes most sense" to the angry villagers is what got a bunch of accused witchs hung or burned at the stake in Salem.
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This is why the cops should never lay charges based on public pressure. If they do, then they need to be replaced with better cops but we certainly shouln't be pressured against discussing our opinions about any public event.

And tah dah! This very reasoning brings us back to another flawed point you made in another thread...

This is also why police shouldn't apportion their resources (traffic vs. crime enforcement) based on public opinion polls, as you were defending in the "this is how you complain" thread. They should direct themsleves following a solid principled foundation, not politics and public pressure.
 
Wingboy said:
This thread is never going to come to any positive conclusions.More contributions like some of the recent ones will result in trolling infractions.You know who you are.
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May as well close GTAM because no thread ever gets to any positive or negative conclusion, it's just a bunch of opinions from everyone's point of view.

I am not sure who you are referring to in regards to throlling posts, but one thing is a fact, anytime something bad happens to a rider, it's that riders fault according to turbo, but this time he decides to defend the one guy that in everyone's opinion is guilty, This is just the internet and to be honest, if I meet turbo outside this place I would probably have a beer or a strawberry juice(whatever someone like him drinks) but I hope you guys start taking notice that he is the biggest troll you have in here.

Turbo I am glad it took you a full day to come up with that response to my post, I will pull my graphic calculator and get back to you by tomorrow lol
 
ZX600 said:
but one thing is a fact, anytime something bad happens to a rider, it's that riders fault according to turbo
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Um, no, not always.

But be realistic. It often is. Almost half of reported bike crashes are single vehicle crashes involving nobody but the rider. Almost half, and that doesn't count the crashes where rider or friends of the rider quickly scoop up the bike before the police are called or can arrive. Who is at fault in a single vehicle crash in most cases?

Of the remaining crashes involving other vehicles, the rider is at fault about half the time. It's not so much a matter of apportioning blame but rather a matter of honestly recognizing the basic problems so behaviour can be modified to avoid falling victim to same. And the biggest problem facing riders isn't other traffic - it's riders themselves overestimating their own abilities and not leaving enough room for recovery when the unexpected happens.

But that is another topic for discussion in another thread.
 
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turbodish said:
Um, no, not always.

But be realistic. It often is. Almost half of reported bike crashes are single vehicle crashes involving nobody but the rider. Almost half, and that doesn't count the crashes where rider or friends of the rider quickly scoop up the bike before the police are called or can arrive. Who is at fault in a single vehicle crash in moist cases?

Of the remaining crashes involving other vehicles, the rider is at fault about half the time. It's not so much a matter of apportioning blame but rather a matter of honestly recognizing the basic problems so behaviour can be modified to avoid falling victim to same. And the biggest problem facing riders isn't other traffic - it's riders themselves overestimating their own abilities and not leaving enough room for recovery when the unexpected happens.

But that is another topic for discussion in another thread.
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So what.Gravity sucks and bikes fall over,cars don't.Another useless post.
 
Be a shame if he was just trying to helping his buddy sell some dashboard cameras and it spun out of control.
 
Baggsy said:
Be a shame if he was just trying to helping his buddy sell some dashboard cameras and it spun out of control.
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IF that is the case (and it is nothing but speculation) then both involved are getting everything that they deserved.
 
What matters the most is how to prevent things like this to happening to us right?

Instead in investing big bucks on those dash cams with the black box stuff. Why not just mount a standard digicam on to the dash? Most digicams have that tripod thread mount thing, so with a little sonofabiching the tripod mount on to your car dash, you are good to go!!
 
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