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I just think that before people go out to try and destroy another person's life, that the evidence be much more compelling than what is at hand now. "Could" have been a scam is not sufficiently compelling.


So you're against HTA 172 then.
 
How come the racist card gets played in this thread, yet in the "Italians" thread, we had pages and pages of bashing and nobody cried foul?

casue italians have a sense of humour and are comfortable with their own background ?
 
It's not worth discussing with Turbo. He has good suggestions when it comes to touring, but in this case, he's siding with the victem; I bet he works for The Toronto Star
 
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How come the racist card gets played in this thread, yet in the "Italians" thread, we had pages and pages of bashing and nobody cried foul?

People joking vs. people being serious.

Seems the mods have learned to tell the difference. Wasn't always the case.
 
In regards to your second paragraph.
I honestly don't see what you are seeing. Ragu's car gained on the silver car but never caught up to him, the reason why the silver car slowed down is because the car (dark grey)in front of Ragu filtered into the silver car's lane at the 6.34 mark giving Ragu's car no reason whatsoever to stop (since the dark grey car got out of the way), further more, one of the cars on the right lane from Ragu saw the gap created by ragu stopping and filtered in front of ragu .

Can someone else take a look and confirm or deny what I am saying?

[video=youtube;zJYFyYGWZcE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJYFyYGWZcE&feature=player_embedded[/video]

I'm watching this on my 32 inch monitor and it looks like the car in front of Ragu filtered into the silver cars spot hence why traffic in that lane slowed down but all other traffic lanes are moving. Ragu's car also stopped for 8 seconds including the rollback.

Can anyone confirm that Ragu's car only started to roll back after Sham's car came to a full stop?

Only reason why Sham is backpedding is because he doesn't want to perjur himself while Ragu is digging himself into a hole with these media comments that will bite him back in court if he's taken there. Like his argument that Sham didn't allow him to explain. Hell he instantly called the cops in less than a minute of conversation just to get a police report.
 
Time from the moment the car started backing up to the moment it hit Shaman's car 4.7 (timed on an iphone app)
On Bryan's car around the 6 sec mark. The problem is that on the real video there is a defined stopping point, with Bryan's video there isn't so neither you or I can definitely say that the one is comparable or not with the other dismissing your first point, a fraction of a second will make a big difference on calculating the actual roll back speed and since neither you or I have the actual distance or time we can not calculate the speed. I would say that your statement about the times been comparable is flawed, the same way it would be if I made a counterpoint
Even in a vertical fall, acceleration due to gravity would max out at 9.8 metres per second squared. How much would a fraction of a second of extra fall make in increased speed in a vertical fall? Very little. On that highway though, the slope isn't a vertical slope. It's a slight slope, so the rate of acceleration due to gravity going down that slight slope hill would be much less. The rate of roll-back speed after 4 seconds would be only minimally slower than the rate of roll-back speed after 5 seconds.

The real point shown in Brian's video remains vividly displayed. The car rolled back far enough a very few seconds that it would cover the average gap between cars stopped in stop and go traffic, all on its own and without any need for reverse gear assist.

In regards to your second paragraph.
I honestly don't see what you are seeing. Ragu's car gained on the silver car but never caught up to him, the reason why the silver car slowed down is because the car (dark grey)in front of Ragu filtered into the silver car's lane at the 6.34 mark giving Ragu's car no reason whatsoever to stop (since the dark grey car got out of the way), further more, one of the cars on the right lane from Ragu saw the gap created by ragu stopping and filtered in front of ragu .

Can someone else take a look and confirm or deny what I am saying?
Ok, let's accept for a moment that the "dark grey car in front of" or a couple of cars in front of him did filter into the lane in the left. Now think back on rush hour driving experiences here. Why did that lane change happen? That original lane was still a through lane and not one that would end in an off-ramp. The only tactical reasons for the lane change at this location would then be to either improve one's position or maintain movement by avoiding slower or stopped traffic in the original lane. The grey car changing lanes wouldn't eliminate the need for others cars following behind to slow or stop if the reason for that grey car's lane change was to avoid stopped traffic.
 
the car changed lane to the left because he was scared of the truck on his right. But I still see traffic flowing in all lanes even when they stopped and got out their car. Notice the black car on the right stop the instant he heard the horn honking but not Ragu's car.

So if Ragu thought he was rear ended than it means he didn't hear the horn blaring and didn't realize he had his foot on the clutch or put the car in neutral. Also if you back up into something you'd know it since your head will jerk backwards first instead of forward. Maybe someone can do a demonstration to prove this point lol but I have backed up into a parking pole before.
 
This thread is never going to come to any positive conclusions.More contributions like some of the recent ones will result in trolling infractions.You know who you are.
 
I have never seen Turbodish this defensive of a motorcyclist who was involved in a collision. Just sayin' ...

In fact, even in cases where Turbodish picked a report out of the news and reported it in the "fallen riders" section (which has happened several times), I haven't been able to find a single "get well soon" or anything supportive whatsoever - even in cases where it was black and white NOT the rider's fault. Just sayin' ... If I'm wrong then point me to the evidence of that; I haven't found one ...

I'm not the only one who has noticed this pattern, either ... This thread is on the watch list, as mentioned above ...
 
well, i see this thread has taken quite the CSI analysis of the situation....surprised no one has used "enhance" yet...i would just like to know why this guys brake lights fail to work...and if they work now, what needed to be done to fix them...

i've had someone reverse into me while i'm stopped behind them because they decided they didn't want to make a left...it was a tiny scratch on my bumper, she just didn't use her mirrors, i laid on the horn the moment she started reversing but it made no difference...she was really apologetic and felt terrible, offered to buy bumper paint, so i let it go and moved on...if i was in sham's position and ragu rolled back into me, ok, he's an idiot, but if he apologized, i would have let it go...no damage to my car, life goes on...however, if he was a complete dick to me and tried to scam me for money and threaten me, i would have posted the snot out of that video...which i believe is the case here...of course, with no audio to confirm this, other than the body motions of the individuals, can't be confirmed for sure...albeit, 4chan were humouring with the "deaf" person doing the lip reading, humouring to say the least...
 
as soon as we reach a conclusion on this thread, can we try to solve the truth behind the Kennedy assassination ?
 
I have never seen Turbodish this defensive of a motorcyclist who was involved in a collision. Just sayin' ...

In fact, even in cases where Turbodish picked a report out of the news and reported it in the "fallen riders" section (which has happened several times), I haven't been able to find a single "get well soon" or anything supportive whatsoever - even in cases where it was black and white NOT the rider's fault. Just sayin' ... If I'm wrong then point me to the evidence of that; I haven't found one ...

I'm not the only one who has noticed this pattern, either ... This thread is on the watch list, as mentioned above ...


I noticed it a while back but didn't didn't say anything publicly because of sociopaths have a habit of adapting when their odd behaviour is brought to light. we'll see if he starts saying GWS, best wishes or RIP in his threads in the fallen riders section now that his odd behaviour been pointed out.
 
well, i see this thread has taken quite the CSI analysis of the situation....surprised no one has used "enhance" yet...i would just like to know why this guys brake lights fail to work...and if they work now, what needed to be done to fix them...

i've had someone reverse into me while i'm stopped behind them because they decided they didn't want to make a left...it was a tiny scratch on my bumper, she just didn't use her mirrors, i laid on the horn the moment she started reversing but it made no difference...she was really apologetic and felt terrible, offered to buy bumper paint, so i let it go and moved on...if i was in sham's position and ragu rolled back into me, ok, he's an idiot, but if he apologized, i would have let it go...no damage to my car, life goes on...however, if he was a complete dick to me and tried to scam me for money and threaten me, i would have posted the snot out of that video...which i believe is the case here...of course, with no audio to confirm this, other than the body motions of the individuals, can't be confirmed for sure...albeit, 4chan were humouring with the "deaf" person doing the lip reading, humouring to say the least...

Without the stupid music over top of the audio it might have been possible to pull a couple of words out of their conversation, at the roadside. It would have been interesting to know, for instance, if the word 'camera' was used.

as soon as we reach a conclusion on this thread, can we try to solve the truth behind the Kennedy assassination ?

It was a suicide.
 
well, i see this thread has taken quite the CSI analysis of the situation....surprised no one has used "enhance" yet...i would just like to know why this guys brake lights fail to work...and if they work now, what needed to be done to fix them...
Well, the word "enhanced" has been used a few posts up with respect to the video and the claims of a deaf having lip-read what was said in it. With respect to brake lights, the brakes don't appear on the car in front, but they also don't seem to appear in the cars in the lane to the left when they abruptly slow down in thefirst few seconds of the video. Do what's the cause? Were all the brakes lights on those cars disabled too? Or may there have been some lighting capture limitations with Sham's $40 dash camera? Hard to say.

i've had someone reverse into me while i'm stopped behind them because they decided they didn't want to make a left...it was a tiny scratch on my bumper, she just didn't use her mirrors, i laid on the horn the moment she started reversing but it made no difference...she was really apologetic and felt terrible, offered to buy bumper paint, so i let it go and moved on...if i was in sham's position and ragu rolled back into me, ok, he's an idiot, but if he apologized, i would have let it go...no damage to my car, life goes on...however, if he was a complete dick to me and tried to scam me for money and threaten me, i would have posted the snot out of that video...which i believe is the case here...of course, with no audio to confirm this, other than the body motions of the individuals, can't be confirmed for sure...albeit, 4chan were humouring with the "deaf" person doing the lip reading, humouring to say the least...
I think the difference is that the lady who hit you had made the overt act of backing up as a result of a deliberate decision to not make the left turn you speak of. In other words, she knew right off the bat that her actions caused the collision.

If the 401 collision was caused by unintentional and unnoticed roll-back on an incline, then that changes recognition of cause (and subequent acceptance of responsibility) completely. If he didn't realize that he had rolled back, why would he apologize for the collision? He would, as I think many here would, figure that the driver behind him was trying to scam him, which is more than a little ironic given the circumstances and what happened after. Then he goes home, makes an insurance claim because he truly believed he had been rear-ended. Afterwards he sees the video on Youtube and has that defining face-palm moment.

albeit, 4chan were humouring with the "deaf" person doing the lip reading, humouring to say the least...
4chan was taking everything presented as gospel without bothering to consider the reliability of the source, the credibility of the claim, the actual applicability of "dirt" dug up. It was all about throwing as much mud against the wall as possible, encouraging as much pile-on as possible. In the non-online world it would have been like a swarming. Even people here were eating it up without question until challenged.
 
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No brake lights visible in the shadow, of the sound barrier, despite signal lights being clearly visible.

As I said any one thing can be discounted, but not the sum total. There's at least enough for police to investigate, which is apparently what is now taking place.
 
I have never seen Turbodish this defensive of a motorcyclist who was involved in a collision. Just sayin' ...

I don't recall a motorcyclist ever being the target of internet vigilantes like this.

In fact, even in cases where Turbodish picked a report out of the news and reported it in the "fallen riders" section (which has happened several times), I haven't been able to find a single "get well soon" or anything supportive whatsoever - even in cases where it was black and white NOT the rider's fault. Just sayin' ... If I'm wrong then point me to the evidence of that; I haven't found one ...
I don't make a public show to strangers of making condolences any more than I make a public show of my charitable donations. For me it's a private matter. If I know the rider, I'll make my condolences to the family in person and not for show to the world.

I'm not the only one who has noticed this pattern, either ... This thread is on the watch list, as mentioned above ...
If you don't want discussion and rebuttal on the facts, then close this thread down. And unlike this post of your's, my responses in this thread have been to the point, on subject and without personal attack or insinuation against the person I'm responding to.
 
I don't make a public show to strangers of making condolences any more than I make a public show of my charitable donations. For me it's a private matter. If I know the rider, I'll make my condolences to the family in person and not for show to the world.

Then I would recommend that you stay out of the "Fallen Riders" section, in future, given the mandate for posting there.
 
If you don't want discussion and rebuttal on the facts, then close this thread down. And unlike this post of your's, my responses in this thread have been to the point, on subject and without personal attack or insinuation against the person I'm responding to.

Were you at the scene? If not, then your so called facts are purely speculation, as are everyone else's in this thread. There's no way to know if this was a scam or not, so the only thing happening here is a bunch of keyboard cowboys (and cowgirls, don't wanna leave anyone out) getting their panties in a bunch.
 
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