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The "Official" Watch Thread and all Things Horological

I’m a life long diver , which sort of expands my fascination with dive watches , I have a couple Omega sea masters , a couple Brietlings , and some odd Squales and Yema and when I go diving I’m wearing a $300 Tissot. My dive computer tells time , I’m not putting an 8k watch into 90ft of saltwater.


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My understanding from the in-laws thag last owned jewelry store. Big ticket watches had an MRSP and you did NOT deviate from the price list , a Rolex in Oakville and Collingwood are the same price. Your margin was fixed ( and not awful) , jewelry had a good margin and China/silver/glassware had huge margins . The quality of diamonds, while apparently highly controlled for grade , has a lot of latitude in price at store level. My wife engagement ring ( bought through the family store ) was $1,500 , 30 years ago , retail was $2895.00 and evaluation certificate said $4350. So there is that


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Diamond prices are a whole different pile of confusion. A friend that used to buy for fun said second-hand diamonds normally sold for ~10% of appraised value. I have no idea what wholesale diamond prices look like but I can't see them being much better or it would make sense for dealers to corner the second-hand market as a cheap source of inventory. Remove it from the setting and pretend it's a virgin stone.
 
I think there will always be demand for mechanical things (see the not-so-recent resurgence in vinyl that doesn't seem to be going away), especially as people seem to be increasingly hankering for the physical in a digital world. Apparently Gen Z (the ones now making Millennials feel old) are increasingly avoiding tech, social media, etc., as they are feeling its negative effects most acutely. I have a 21-year-old son, and he mostly avoids technology, and only has social media for his music projects. The same is true for most of his peer group. (Except video games, though even there they're much more interested in retro or homebrew games than they are in the latest AAA titles.) I think they know better than us how the guarantee of obsolescence within a few short years delivered by modern tech is truly empty and only leads to a treadmill of consumption with very little payoff.

As a very late GenX-er, I like mechanical watches partly because they are old technology and therefore represent a kind of timelessness. I also listen to records, play old basses and like old cars. While I can appreciate quartz and other methods of timekeeping, there's something deeply satisfying about being able to actually see all the parts working together to spin the hands, rather than it happening on a microscopic or even atomic level in chips and transistors. There's also a form of joy that comes from the process of using and maintaining things that require a bit more effort.

For example, the experience of listening to music is totally different when it involves finding the record you want to hear, pulling it off the shelf, admiring the artwork, opening the dust cover on the player, carefully laying the record down, brushing it, and then placing the needle. Then having to flip and change every 20 minutes or so keeps you close and present, as opposed to popping on a playlist and having the music vaguely in the background as you get increasingly distracted. Some may see that all as just an unnecessary irritation, but for me it's a ritual that is akin to a Japanese tea ceremony or making a good carbonara with the exact same ingredients every time.

Winding and carefully setting the time and date on a mechanical watch makes me interact with it on a different level than a smartwatch I just yanked off the charger, and it's a heck of a lot more interesting than trying to puzzle out why the Bluetooth won't connect. Sure, I can pull up time.is to know the time down to the millisecond (and do when setting my watches), and even my best movement is a couple of seconds fast or slow over the course of a day, but I have yet to encounter a situation where that actually matters.

A nicely designed and made watch is also a thing of beauty, with art and craftsmanship combined. Each has its own style that, as jewellery, can complement how one presents oneself (or detract, if done poorly - I think this Invicta may be the ugliest thing ever made under any circumstances: Invicta Masterpiece Chronograph Automatic Brown Dial Men's Watch 44573 ). We may live in a pajama-pants-in-Wal-Mart society in North America, but again, I like the satisfaction that comes from taking a bit of time to assemble an outfit that shows respect to the rest of the world.

Maybe all of the above is my subconscious way of trying to articulate (read: justify) to my wife why I've bought three watches and a few bracelets and straps over the past few weeks...

TL;DR: Mechanical things are cool, screen phones aren't. Watches are also beautiful, and I like doing things that take time. So there.

Oh, and Rolexes may hold value, but so do many cheaper watches if you buy at a discount from MSRP or used, and many other luxury brands appreciate about as well as a BMW. There's a number of Seikos that have appreciated massively over the last 10 years, but going from $300 to $1500 isn't as compelling as it is for watches costing 10-20x as much.
 
I agree but for me having a couple of mechanical watches scratched my itch as I don’t really care how many jewels there are or the movement etc. For me (at least) one mechanical watch is very much like another. Cogs and gears and springs. Cool, in the same way mechanical music boxes are cool (I have a small collection of those too). Ultimately you don’t look at the back of the watch a lot even if it’s a display back, so unless it’s a skeleton face what’s under the hood is hidden. As I’m a bit more obsessed by time for some strange reason then accuracy is important and the looks are a bonus so quartz is just fine, set it and mostly forget it. You can’t discount the tech and design that goes into a quartz wrist watch either though (even though I have a smart watch I’m not really taken by them as jewelry in the same way as an analogue watch). I’m still amazed at my old Casios that read barometric pressure and temperature and forecast weather. When they first came out they were as big as bricks and looked ridiculous on anyone that didn’t have Schwarzenegger wrists but they were very cool.

I wonder if the guys that had sundial timepieces had the same thoughts when the first mechanical watches came along?

I started off with vinyl as a kid too. Got a player several years ago here and tried to get my old albums from across the pond but they had warped in a hot attic. Have mostly filled the void with used versions and Amazon deals though so that’s not too bad.
 
Best daimond marketing strategy ever . Hey we get a lot of decent size stones that are sort of brownish , how do we make more money than selling it off as industrial diamond for sawblades?? Lets call them Chocolate Diamonds and watch the idiots pay extra !! That lasted a decade before somebody said , hey , wait a minute.......
 
A nicely designed and made watch is also a thing of beauty, with art and craftsmanship combined.

I find people that actually make things with their hands have a greater appreciation for high horology. I may have posted this before, but the workmanship bring this VC back is incredible. The finishing on the movement is incredible. And the "it's all hidden so who cares" speil is a cop out. That would be like Honda saying "we'll put round pistons and 4 valves per in the NR750 because no one will ever see them".

 
I find people that actually make things with their hands have a greater appreciation for high horology. I may have posted this before, but the workmanship bring this VC back is incredible. The finishing on the movement is incredible. And the "it's all hidden so who cares" speil is a cop out. That would be like Honda saying "we'll put round pistons and 4 valves per in the NR750 because no one will ever see them".


Pretty sure the car analogy doesn’t work for jewellery in this case.
 
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I find people that actually make things with their hands have a greater appreciation for high horology. I may have posted this before, but the workmanship bring this VC back is incredible. The finishing on the movement is incredible. And the "it's all hidden so who cares" speil is a cop out. That would be like Honda saying "we'll put round pistons and 4 valves per in the NR750 because no one will ever see them".

Totally agree.
 
Patrick Getriede has announced he is selling off part of his collection called the Oak collection. Conservative estimates are about 300 million dollars in watches . Many are 1 of 1 , customs by A Songe&Lang , Rolex, Patek and lots of guys you never hear about , and prototypes that got made but never hit production
I think the auction catalog is about 100euros . Will be fascinating to see , I could not afford the least expensive thing he owns .


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For those that have never heard of Patrick , he’s a legend in the watch world as he somehow ends up owning everything that other rich guys want .


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54 of his Pateks.

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I just got my Submariner back from a full service. First time after 15 years of constant wear, 24/7. A new bracelet was recommended, so I said OK. It was not cheap, but it was much cheaper than all the many used ones I found online. And my old bracelet was returned after a full refinishing. It is slightly worn (not too badly) and looks like new. I could sell it for more than the cost of the brand new replacement.

If it's a Jubilee, you can't get rid of all the play without replacing the inner Ds. Here's a pretty good video of a refurb.

 
I've watched that video before. It's pretty cool. Submariners come with an Oyster bracelet. After 15 years of constant wear mine has only 5/16" of stretch, from fully compacted to fully extended. Not enough to warrant any rehabilitation yet. I have a Heuer that I wore for 25 years before that. It has a Jubilee with folded centre links. Every few years I would squeeze them back together with pliers and tighten it up. I think it is beyond repair now.
Of the many watch repair videos, I think I like the ones from this guy the best.


 

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