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The knife thread
- Thread starter crankcall
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It's spelled Noife.
I recognize the two square tip wooden handled knives. A grandfather was a cobbler and left a cardboard box full of them. Most had been sharpened so much over a lifetime that they no longer even remotely resembled the original blade profile.
Thanks for that. What a crap ruling. "The Tribunal has ruled in prior cases that a knife may still open automatically by centrifugal force even if it requires some preliminary or simultaneous manipulation of a flipper or part of the blade." That definition captures almost every folding knife ever made (open it most of the way and flick. If that doesn't work for your open, keep swinging the blade open with your thumb while moving your wrist and booom, prohibited. It would be interesting to see what precedent CITT sets. I suspect it only applies to importing goods and doesn't apply to goods already in Canada (but that doesn't mean a bad judge doesn't agree and cite it in a court ruling).Yeah, thinking too hard about the intelligence of the law will just make you angry. Our interpretation had no legal weight, unfortunately.
Here's the full 2018 CITT ruling, if you're interested:
T. LAPLANTE - Canadian International Trade Tribunal
decisions.citt-tcce.gc.ca
Again, I'm not sure if the CITT ruling is something that other law enforcement agencies can/will apply or not. If so, there are are several million people walking around oblivious that they're now carrying prohibited weapons.
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doh!
Yeah, it's dumb. I've got a big old Buck 110 lockback with a wood and brass handle, which is basically the most traditional kind of folding knife you can imagine. It's got a typically heavy lockback spring that does prevent the blade from opening with a conventional wrist flick, but if you hold the spine of the blade (instead of the handle, as you normally would) and flick your wrist, the weight of the handle will open the knife.
I don't think the author(s) of the Criminal Code section really thought very hard about the implications when they wrote the definition. Even the intent of the prohibition (switchblades, presumably) doesn't make a ton of sense when everything in your kitchen knife block makes a better weapon than your 2" folding knife., and you're allowed to carry around any length of fixed blade you want. My hypothesis is that whoever wrote the Criminal Code definition mistook West Side Story for a documentary:
48Connor
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Got the collection together!
I've been carrying the Spyderco since getting it a few days ago but the 3.75" blade is too big. I was going to buy the Endela to replace it but then I saw a Benchmade Bugout on sale for boxing day, so I ordered that instead. Still might order the Endela or a PM2. I have a problem...
Left: CRKT M16, SOG Flash II, SOG Flash I, CRKT Ripple, Kershaw Scallion, Kershaw Leek, Kershaw Dividend, SOG Twitch II
Right: Spyderco Endura 4, Ontario Rat 1A, Ontario Rat 1, Benchmade Griptilian, Benchmade Griptilian, KA-BAR USSF Folder
I've been carrying the Spyderco since getting it a few days ago but the 3.75" blade is too big. I was going to buy the Endela to replace it but then I saw a Benchmade Bugout on sale for boxing day, so I ordered that instead. Still might order the Endela or a PM2. I have a problem...
Left: CRKT M16, SOG Flash II, SOG Flash I, CRKT Ripple, Kershaw Scallion, Kershaw Leek, Kershaw Dividend, SOG Twitch II
Right: Spyderco Endura 4, Ontario Rat 1A, Ontario Rat 1, Benchmade Griptilian, Benchmade Griptilian, KA-BAR USSF Folder
Roadghost
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Yeah, thinking too hard about the intelligence of the law will just make you angry. Our interpretation had no legal weight, unfortunately.
Here's the full 2018 CITT ruling, if you're interested:
T. LAPLANTE - Canadian International Trade Tribunal
Again, I'm not sure if the CITT ruling is something that other law enforcement agencies can/will apply or not. If so, there are are several million people walking around oblivious that they're now carrying prohibited weapons.
So there was a previous ruling on A/O knives where the court ruled they are not weapons. I can't find the direct link to the case but here's an article:
Canadian Judge Rules Assisted-Opening Knives Not Weapons | American Knife and Tool Institute
An Ontario (Canada) Court of Justice ruled favorably on behalf of a retailer defendant cited for selling banned weapons when he sold assisted-opening knives from Kershaw and others.
www.akti.org
After this the knives were legal to sell and own. Then after the Liberal government was elected the CBSA seized on the opportunity to fight a court case and have A/O knives banned from import as prohibited weapons. When we (knife owners) filed a petition (I think I posted a link to that petition on here, or Reddit or somewhere) the then Minister of Public Safety, Ralph Goodale, after being presented with the petition refused to make a change in the law that would accommodate A/O knives.
The ruling against made the waters around folding knives very murky. Several box-cutters sold for years have a button in the handle allowing you to slide or open the blade with one hand, conveniently. That's all A/O knives did too, and they had been sold for years. Word from lawyers at the time was that the ruling only meant that it was illegal to import A/O knives, but that it was not illegal to possess them, if that makes any sense. I think the reality is that police just don't want to enforce it, maybe because it's stupid, or maybe because it could be overturned again in a court ruling.
Adding to the confusion is that you can still buy A/O knives in stores all over the place. This begs the question of why they even outlawed switchblade knives in the first place back in 1969. Movies like Rebel Without a Cause demonized switchblades in spite of the fact that as a weapon most of them were flimsy junk. The switchblade law appears to have had zero effect on knife murders too, the favorite being a standard kitchen knife in a drunken domestic argument.
But the spectre of Hollywood sensationalism is hard to undo, especially in Canada where they think its reality. Police at the time fretted that switchblades were too easy to conceal and could be quickly employed. It never occurred to them that nothing is more quickly employed than a sheathed dagger, easily concealable, which doesn't require you to fumble around trying to find a button, and won't snap from the cheap handle when you use it, for whatever that may be.
That’s where this is so stupid , I plan on never being in a knife fight ( or any fight) but I think I’d rather have a slasher with a 3” Italian stelleto than a 3” Olfa knife , those olfa knives would cut through a jacket and you in the first swipe .
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That's assuming the blade was lined up properly. When extended 3", it doesn't take much pressure from the side to break the blade off.
Part of me still thinks it would be fun to get some rubber training knives and chalk and practice knife fighting. I suspect the results would be eye-opening and brutal. I have no interest in a knife fight with steel.
Had a friend that got arrested for possession of a switchblade on Hell Night back in the 70s. Of all the nights to not bring your switchblade with you…..
Hack
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A guy I went to skool with got stopped/arrested/detained for his punky spiked wrist band(s) back in the early 80's.... Lol.
Imagine you're a cop walking your Younge St. beat on a Friday night and you encounter.... "Andre"... the skinny, pimply-faced 80lb 15 year old kid from the 'burbs wearing.... THESE!!
Injuring my arm while trying to use that seems more likely than injuring the other party.A guy I went to skool with got stopped/arrested/detained for his punky spiked wrist band(s) back in the early 80's.... Lol.
Imagine you're a cop walking your Younge St. beat on a Friday night and you encounter.... "Andre"... the skinny, pimply-faced 80lb 15 year old kid from the 'burbs wearing.... THESE!!
Hack
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Andre was 80 pounds soaking wet while carrying a brick...
No one was ever in any danger . Lol
Picked up these 2 today….on sale at CT.
$10 for the HUNTSHIELD and $15 for the BUCK.
$10 for the HUNTSHIELD and $15 for the BUCK.
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