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That's a new one, punctured oil pan on the highway (with damage pics)

If you hit moving debris, I suspect it would be a comp claim, not collision. That shouldn't affect your rates (if it is a comp claim. An animal would be a comp claim but I haven't dug into the specifics as to inanimate objects flying).

Unfortunately, I agree with the others and this looks like it came apart inside. The marks on the part in your second picture that look like it was chewed are quite concerning. Based on the schematics, I am surprised something back there had that much energy. It's pretty far away from the engine and the transmission appears to have another layer of separation above.

Do you still have warranty? If yes, I wouldn't be pulling more apart even though I desperately want to know.

I'm not sure which it would be covered under, but I have been told that if the object touching the road before you hit it, then it would be considered an at fault claim. Of course they should check with their own insurer or at least the fault determination rules. And best to discuss with a broker or agent, NOT the insurer directly, as they may file the claim regardless.
 
I think the current thinking is that it was hit from the outside. That piece that came out was just in the spot it got windowed and broke off inside because of that. It stands straight up inside the pan right where the hole is, can be seen in the picture of the inside of pan.

So why would the edges of the broken metal be bent outwards? Unless engine vibrations caused it to crack around its base and then tip over when finally broken free?
 
So why would the edges of the broken metal be bent outwards? Unless engine vibrations caused it to crack around its base and then tip over when finally broken free?
I am very interested to see inside. If it happened to be vibrating enough to crack off, I would have expected a crack and leak long ago. Also the fracture is wrong. If it is fatigue, you should have a beachhead (looks like tree rings) and he got brittle fracture. I will not be surprised if the transmission launched a part down through the case and that rib was a casualty.

On the other hand, if the trans blew, why are there marks on the outside of that piece and not on the web (one side is pristine, we can't see the other side). If a bolt bounced up, that could explain those marks that look like threads and the shape of the fracture (smaller diameter outside, larger diameter inside). I have not idea why the remaining pan would be rolled out in that scenario though.
 
If you hit moving debris, I suspect it would be a comp claim, not collision. That shouldn't affect your rates (if it is a comp claim. An animal would be a comp claim but I haven't dug into the specifics as to inanimate objects flying).
Hit a chunk of curb that had come loose and out in the live lane. Had to have the front sub-frame replaced. Made insurance claim, Insurance rates went up.
 
Hit a chunk of curb that had come loose and out in the live lane. Had to have the front sub-frame replaced. Made insurance claim, Insurance rates went up.
Static things on the road are a collision (eg dead animal). Moving animals are comp. I have no idea about moving inanimate objects. I would suspect comp but it is hard to prove whether something was moving so I suspect insurance company screws you at every opportunity.
 
Good presence of mind to kill the engine and pull over safely on the 401. Crazy highway at flowing speed and super dangerous below that speed, even in a car. That slick rear tire and staying upright was excellent!
 
Good presence of mind to kill the engine and pull over safely on the 401. Crazy highway at flowing speed and super dangerous below that speed, even in a car. That slick rear tire and staying upright was excellent!

That is my mindset right now. It could have been significantly worse, both for me and the bike between the oiled down rear tire and coasting in heavy fast-moving heavy traffic across four lanes of traffic.

As for insurance, not sure if it will be worth it even if my rates don't go up. My deductible is $500, a new oil pan is $500, plus ~$400 for tires, plus ~$50 for rear pads. If I can manage to find a used pan, I'm just going to fix it myself and forget it.


So now onto the good stuff. Pulled the pan today and things are looking promising. The dry sump drain bolt had nothing in it, but the engine drain bolt let out between 0.5-1L of oil, also no gold dust in the oil. There is zero damage on the inside of the motor to indicate that it was an internal failure. As shown in the pics, there is only a small window between the transmission and the dry sump that something would have to shoot through and there is no damage anywhere around it. Also the broken baffle found inside the pan has zero damage to the top section, but a scratch on the bottom which is the bottom/exterior of the oil pan. Further to everything, there is a pretty good ding in the centre stand that 99% wasn't there before.

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That is my mindset right now. It could have been significantly worse, both for me and the bike between the oiled down rear tire and coasting in heavy fast-moving heavy traffic across four lanes of traffic.

As for insurance, not sure if it will be worth it even if my rates don't go up. My deductible is $500, a new oil pan is $500, plus ~$400 for tires, plus ~$50 for rear pads. If I can manage to find a used pan, I'm just going to fix it myself and forget it.


So now onto the good stuff. Pulled the pan today and things are looking promising. The dry sump drain bolt had nothing in it, but the engine drain bolt let out between 0.5-1L of oil, also no gold dust in the oil. There is zero damage on the inside of the motor to indicate that it was an internal failure. As shown in the pics, there is only a small window between the transmission and the dry sump that something would have to shoot through and there is no damage anywhere around it. Also the broken baffle found inside the pan has zero damage to the top section, but a scratch on the bottom which is the bottom/exterior of the oil pan. Further to everything, there is a pretty good ding in the centre stand that 99% wasn't there before.

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G3UkTEg.jpg


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xl5HR89.jpg


6WYu22L.jpg
THanks. The other upside to avoiding insurance is you get your bike back weeks earlier.

Still surprising that debris could get that much force up. Maybe it was something like a 6" long bolt and you got super unlucky and it touched the oilpan and the road at the same time.
 
Just went back to the beginning of the thread to check the timeline - remembered that my 919 shed some exhaust hardware a couple weeks ago. Seems like I'm in the clear though
 
Would you try a compression/drip down test in case there is damage in the pistons, or highly unlikely?
 
This is the strangest malfunction. Stuff just doesn't fail like this.

So bizarre. Glad you are ok and it's a fairly easy fix.

Scrub the tire down with dawn and a brush. It will be fine.
I'm sure the brakes would be ok with a good cleaning as well.
 
Would you try a compression/drip down test in case there is damage in the pistons, or highly unlikely?
It seems unlikely that something could get from the engine to that location without leaving witness marks along the way (and no witness marks on the inside of that web). Also, if it was something from the engine, it should be from the bottom (eg a rod bolt that flung off) and that wouldn't get picked up in a compression/leakdown test (assuming the rod was still attached to piston and crank).

If he wanted to speed up the process, while waiting for a new oil pan, he could temporarily patch that one and run the bike and run it through the gears (on the centre stand) to make sure it seems happy. If he finds something at that point (hopefully not), he can alter his path and save a bit of time.
 
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It seems unlikely that something could get from the engine to that location without leaving witness marks along the way (and no witness marks on the inside of that web). Also, if it was something from the engine, it should be from the bottom (eg a rod bolt that flung off) and that wouldn't get picked up in a compression/leakdown test (assuming the rod was still attached to piston and crank).

If he wanted to speed up the process, while waiting for a new oil pan, he could temporarily patch that one and run the bike and run it through the gears (on the centre stand) to make sure it seems happy. If he finds something at that point (hopefully not), he can alter his path and save a bit of time.
Was thinking if it ran at that high RPM with reduced oil up there. The innards sure look pristine from the pictures.
 
That is my mindset right now. It could have been significantly worse, both for me and the bike between the oiled down rear tire and coasting in heavy fast-moving heavy traffic across four lanes of traffic.

As for insurance, not sure if it will be worth it even if my rates don't go up. My deductible is $500, a new oil pan is $500, plus ~$400 for tires, plus ~$50 for rear pads. If I can manage to find a used pan, I'm just going to fix it myself and forget it.


So now onto the good stuff. Pulled the pan today and things are looking promising. The dry sump drain bolt had nothing in it, but the engine drain bolt let out between 0.5-1L of oil, also no gold dust in the oil. There is zero damage on the inside of the motor to indicate that it was an internal failure. As shown in the pics, there is only a small window between the transmission and the dry sump that something would have to shoot through and there is no damage anywhere around it. Also the broken baffle found inside the pan has zero damage to the top section, but a scratch on the bottom which is the bottom/exterior of the oil pan. Further to everything, there is a pretty good ding in the centre stand that 99% wasn't there before.

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G3UkTEg.jpg


q8TjNBM.jpg


xl5HR89.jpg


6WYu22L.jpg
Jeez, looking at the way the metal is bent outwards and sheared at the back I'd be worried that something let go inside...until I look at the 2 impact marks on the cover beside. Fluky things do happen I suppose.

Glad it wasn't a Euro bike (like I own) as then we'd get post after post about how unreliable they are....

JOKING! JOKING!....no need to reinforce (or refute/argue about) a personally held bias!
 
That is my mindset right now. It could have been significantly worse, both for me and the bike between the oiled down rear tire and coasting in heavy fast-moving heavy traffic across four lanes of traffic.

As for insurance, not sure if it will be worth it even if my rates don't go up. My deductible is $500, a new oil pan is $500, plus ~$400 for tires, plus ~$50 for rear pads. If I can manage to find a used pan, I'm just going to fix it myself and forget it.


So now onto the good stuff. Pulled the pan today and things are looking promising. The dry sump drain bolt had nothing in it, but the engine drain bolt let out between 0.5-1L of oil, also no gold dust in the oil. There is zero damage on the inside of the motor to indicate that it was an internal failure. As shown in the pics, there is only a small window between the transmission and the dry sump that something would have to shoot through and there is no damage anywhere around it. Also the broken baffle found inside the pan has zero damage to the top section, but a scratch on the bottom which is the bottom/exterior of the oil pan. Further to everything, there is a pretty good ding in the centre stand that 99% wasn't there before.

BK2D7r8.jpg


G3UkTEg.jpg


q8TjNBM.jpg


xl5HR89.jpg


6WYu22L.jpg
Your tire and brakes can be cleaned, a splashing of oil does not permanently destroy them. Both are exposed to oil and grease their whole life -- they are designed to not absorb these.

Tires clean up with a squirt of brake cleaner then a regular car wash soap (or greasy cutting dish soap). Brake pads will clean up with a good brake cleaner, modern metallic/ceramic pads don't absorb anything well.

If you're really nervous -- change the rear pads, and clean the tire.
 
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