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Also, remember the flipside of the coin like the Mercaz HaRav massacre. The terrorist had an illegally obtained assault rifle (and I really mean an actual assault rifle, not what the media usually refers to under that term), shot up a bunch of people, but one of the students had a legally purchased sporting firearm with which he Swisscheesed the terrorist and saved a bunch of lives.

I am in favour of licensing and background checks as long as the authorities have to present valid reasons in writing in cases of refusal.
 
It appears that you live in a bubble D

Just last night less than 5 km from my house a dude got shot in the head. Same location where a couple months ago a guy sliced his wife to pieces then torched her outside.

Danzing shooting?
Eaton center?
Forget about these?

If guns were the issue then the shootings in GTA would have never happened, cause the last time i checked you cannot get a firearms license if you've been convicted of a crime. And even if you have a clean background check and pass the course the ontario chief firearms officer isnt issuing any concealed carry permits, hell to get an authorization to transport your firearm to a range takes forever.

So quit being over dramatic and admit the fact that if we had 10x the population we'd have 10x the eaton center shootings, danzing shootings etc...

The difference in your argument is the shootings that happened in Toronto were fired with illegally obtained guns to be used on criminal to criminal while the majority of the ones in the US were with legally obtained guns to be used in mass shootings, making it easier for any wacko to get a gun and do these sort of things. If they had the same kind of control in the US that they do in Canada I would be willing to bet that mass shootings in the US wouldn't be the now monthly occurance.

It's easier to legally obtain guns in the US than it is to illegally obtain guns in Canada.
 
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The difference in your argument is the shootings that happened in Toronto were fired with illegally obtained guns to be used on criminal to criminal while the majority of the ones in the US were with legally obtained guns to be used in mass shootings, making it easier for any wacko to get a gun and do these sort of things. If they had the same kind of control in the US that they do in Canada I would be willing to bet that mass shootings in the US wouldn't the now monthly occurance.

It's easier to legally obtain guns in the US than it is to illegally obtain guns in Canada.

Really? The kid in connecticut STOLE his mom's guns. Last i checked STEALING a gun was illegal in both usa and canada.

Why can't people understand that if you want to go on a crazy shooting spree and kill someone you'll get a gun, regardless if its legal or illegal.

By banning guns you'll only affect the people who follow the laws to begin with, the ones who want to cause damage will still get them. (danzing shooting, eaton center, kid in connecticut etc..)
 
Really? The kid in connecticut STOLE his mom's guns. Last i checked STEALING a gun was illegal in both usa and canada.

Why can't people understand that if you want to go on a crazy shooting spree and kill someone you'll get a gun, regardless if its legal or illegal.

By banning guns you'll only affect the people who follow the laws to begin with, the ones who want to cause damage will still get them. (danzing shooting, eaton center, kid in connecticut etc..)

He stole them? He lived in a house where guns were openly available, I bet people in the US have better locks on their liquor cabinet. Had there been some state gun controls in place as they do in Canada, like locking up your guns so your known mentally ill son can't get to them, then guess what? Ya, pretty sure it would have made it much more difficult for him to just walk right up, grab every gun his mother had in her arsenal to shoot her in the face and go the nearest school and kill a bunch of kids.

And where did ban come up? I said control.

Those examples you're giving in Toronto weren't legally obtained, the ones in the US were, and by wack jobs because they can get them as easily as buying a pack of smokes from a convenience store. If guns were that easy to obtain in Canada i bet we would have the same problem, but we don't, all we have to deal with are shootings of criminals on criminals using illegally obtained guns, with the odd casuality getting mixed in the crossfire.
 
It appears that you live in a bubble D

Just last night less than 5 km from my house a dude got shot in the head. Same location where a couple months ago a guy sliced his wife to pieces then torched her outside.

Danzing shooting?
Eaton center?
Forget about these?

If guns were the issue then the shootings in GTA would have never happened, cause the last time i checked you cannot get a firearms license if you've been convicted of a crime. And even if you have a clean background check and pass the course the ontario chief firearms officer isnt issuing any concealed carry permits, hell to get an authorization to transport your firearm to a range takes forever.

So quit being over dramatic and admit the fact that if we had 10x the population we'd have 10x the eaton center shootings, danzing shootings etc...

You busted my bubble, bastad.

The problem in THIS country is Law Enforcement rather hide behind trees and spend money on radar guns and tasers instead of proper equipment to xray vehicles and dogs to sniff things out. The Legal system is filled with pansies too.

It's simple, post up signs at every border crossing. We catch you with undeclared weapons:
Penalty:
1. 1 year jail and returned to the US (country of departure if by plane) for further jail time + $10,000 fine (we take credit cards :)
2. gun with ammo = more time + fines
3. gun loaded = more time + fines
4. knives and other weapons = same

We need ti implement some system so Canadians are not paying the full bill for incarceration.
Make it known- Canada is a zero tolerance zone for this.

They spend more resources and time hunting down ppl bringing back an extra bottle of booze.

* There is a cynical side of me that wonders if Law enforcement does not want this to stop because they would have less of an empire and funding. It would not be hard to round up the biker gangs yet they sip coffee at LnL with a Police cruisers next to them. hmmm
 
around and around we go with the same cast of characters...



we aren't talking about guns being used by criminals ... danzig? eaton centre? gangland violence? Those are not mass shootings perpetrated by mentally ill against completely innocent civilians. Yes, when bullets fly there can be collateral damage as in Danzig and the Eaton's centre but in both cases, those victims were not the intended targets. In these mass shootings, the innocents ARE the targets.

This guy in the Naval Yard was a ticking time bomb who had previous incidents with his gun. But hey, its his right to own these guns so whatever, no big deal. Well, now its a big deal. Pretty sure here in Canada, if you take your legally obtained and licensed handgun, and blow out some one's car tires in an "anger-fueled blackout" - your guns and right to own these guns will be taken away.

Would this shooting still have happened, if they had sensible gun control laws that would have seen the suspect penalized and stripped of his weapons after the two shooting incidents he had previously? Guess we'll never know, but I'm sure all the "GUNS FOR EVERYONE!!!" idealists will counter with a billion and one stats proving that the only solution is in fact, the Wild Wild West.

Oh, and I'm sure if he didn't have access to guns for his rampage, he would have just smuggled in pressure cooker bomb and dropped it from the 4th floor balcony over looking the atrium rather than pick off people with his semi-auto AR-15. Or perhaps he would have "smuggled" in a van full of ammonium nitrate to do the job... because after all, mentally ill people WILL find a way, right?

Now all of that being said, is it true that with all the security checkpoints, gates, and guards, none of them are armed? THAT - I don't agree with. Government facilities dealing with all manner of sensitive jobs and materials should have armed guards.... whether or not it would have made a difference, again, remains to be seen as he snuck in using a valid pass, hiding his weapons and finding an area where many people congregated. I don't think "escaping alive" was part of his plan. Never really is with these types of shootings.
 
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He stole them? He lived in a house where guns were openly available, I bet people in the US have better locks on their liquor cabinet. Had there been some state gun controls in place as they do in Canada, like locking up your guns so your known mentally ill son can't get to them, then guess what? Ya, pretty sure it would have made it much more difficult for him to just walk right up, grab every gun his mother had in her arsenal to shoot her in the face and go the nearest school and kill a bunch of kids.

And where did ban come up? I said control.

Those examples you're giving in Toronto weren't legally obtained, the ones in the US were, and by wack jobs because they can get them as easily as buying a pack of smokes from a convenience store. If guns were that easy to obtain in Canada i bet we would have the same problem, but we don't, all we have to deal with are shootings of criminals on criminals using illegally obtained guns, with the odd casuality getting mixed in the crossfire.

I take it the 14 killed women at Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal and 10 injured don't count, and 1 dead and 19 injured at Dawson College also never happened.

You're right this is clearly a problem in the USA and canada never experienced such a thing.

Like i said, now multiply those 2 events by 10 since the usa has 10x more people than we do and what do you come up with?
Clearly strict control is the solution eh? ;)
 
around and around we go with the same cast of characters...



we aren't talking about guns being used by criminals ... danzig? eaton centre? gangland violence? Those are not mass shootings perpetrated by mentally ill against completely innocent civilians. Yes, when bullets fly there can be collateral damage as in Danzig and the Eaton's centre but in both cases, those victims were not the intended targets. In these mass shootings, the innocents ARE the targets.

This guy in the Naval Yard was a ticking time bomb who had previous incidents with his gun. But hey, its his right to own these guns so whatever, no big deal. Well, now its a big deal. Pretty sure here in Canada, if you take your legally obtained and licensed handgun, and blow out some one's car tires in an "anger-fueled blackout" - your guns and right to own these guns will be taken away.

Would this shooting still have happened, if they had sensible gun control laws that would have seen the suspect penalized and stripped of his weapons after the two shooting incidents he had previously? Guess we'll never know, but I'm sure all the "GUNS FOR EVERYONE!!!" idealists will counter with a billion and one stats proving that the only solution is in fact, the Wild Wild West.

Oh, and I'm sure if he didn't have access to guns for his rampage, he would have just smuggled in pressure cooker bomb and dropped it from the 4th floor balcony over looking the atrium rather than pick off people with his semi-auto AR-15. Or perhaps he would have "smuggled" in a van full of ammonium nitrate to do the job... because after all, mentally ill people WILL find a way, right?

Now all of that being said, is it true that with all the security checkpoints, gates, and guards, none of them are armed? THAT - I don't agree with. Government facilities dealing with all manner of sensitive jobs and materials should have armed guards.... whether or not it would have made a difference, again, remains to be seen as he snuck in using a valid pass, hiding his weapons and finding an area where many people congregated. I don't think "escaping alive" was part of his plan. Never really is with these types of shootings.

The solution isn't the wild west, its somewhere in the middle. Keep the firearms from the crazy folks, and let good law abiding citizens protect themselves.

The thought that if you disarm everyone and the problem will go away is silly.

The though of giving EVERYONE firearms is also ridiculous.

Your "extreme" end of the argument is silly btw. He'll sneak in a pressure cooker? What planet do you live on?
If you have cash you can have a firearm of your choice delivered to you within a couple hours, and thats in toronto.

BTW do you know for a fact that he still had his "legal" guns after those incidents? Cause i cant find that little detail in ANY news article...
 
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You busted my bubble, bastad.

The problem in THIS country is Law Enforcement rather hide behind trees and spend money on radar guns and tasers instead of proper equipment to xray vehicles and dogs to sniff things out. The Legal system is filled with pansies too.

It's simple, post up signs at every border crossing. We catch you with undeclared weapons:
Penalty:
1. 1 year jail and returned to the US (country of departure if by plane) for further jail time + $10,000 fine (we take credit cards :)
2. gun with ammo = more time + fines
3. gun loaded = more time + fines
4. knives and other weapons = same

We need ti implement some system so Canadians are not paying the full bill for incarceration.
Make it known- Canada is a zero tolerance zone for this.

They spend more resources and time hunting down ppl bringing back an extra bottle of booze.

* There is a cynical side of me that wonders if Law enforcement does not want this to stop because they would have less of an empire and funding. It would not be hard to round up the biker gangs yet they sip coffee at LnL with a Police cruisers next to them. hmmm

If that was the case guns wouldn't be stolen in this country, since last time i checked stealing a firearms is 25 years in prison.
Also 3 strike rule in the usa? Guess what, prisons are still packed...

How's that war on drugs working out btw? Can you see how the firearm regulations are going to end up?

The idea that you will deter or prevent someone from going on a shooting spree by laws is simply delusional, sad reality is that not many people are willing to admit that you have to instead prepare yourself for when the time comes.

One thing that you can do and it doesnt cost us a penny is stop broadcasting these mass shootings. Its a known fact that this fuels wannabes and copycats. But you cant stop greed in this country or the usa, since the media only cares about their ratings.

BTW do you have any idea how many trucks cross the canada/usa border every single day? Good luck going through all of them.

Any idea what our border looks like across the country? :lmao:

Below picture is a hint

flatland.jpg


Maybe we can build a giant wall? :lmao:
 
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For anyone that actually cares read the below article. Failure at every level http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/1...ough-walls-thought-people-sending-vibrations/


"We had just recently re-hired him,” Hoshko told Reuters. “Another background investigation was re-run and cleared through the defense security service in July 2013."

"According to a Nov. 4, 2010 police report, a neighbor of Alexis said she was sitting in a chair and heard a loud pop, saw dust and then holes in both her ceiling and floor. She said her downstairs neighbor Alexis had called cops on her several times for being loud but police always said they didn’t hear anything and no further action was taken."


"The sergeant wrote in the report that based on what Alexis told him, “I made contact with on-duty Naval Station Police [officer name redacted.]”

The Naval Station Police official told the sergeant “they would follow up on this subject” and determine if Alexis was, in fact, a naval base contractor.






And im supposed to believe that another level of bureaucracy would have prevented this eh? :lmao:

 
The solution isn't the wild west, its somewhere in the middle. Keep the firearms from the crazy folks, and let good law abiding citizens protect themselves.

The thought that if you disarm everyone and the problem will go away is silly.

The though of giving EVERYONE firearms is also ridiculous.

I actually happen to agree with this, by the way. I have never once advocated for an outright ban of all guns or anything remotely resembling the sort. I however, do not have a problem with relatively strict (like what we have here) rules and laws regarding firearm possession and ownership... Now our self defense laws, not such a fan of.

Your "extreme" end of the argument is silly btw. He'll sneak in a pressure cooker? What planet do you live on?
If you have cash you can have a firearm of your choice delivered to you within a couple hours, and thats in toronto.

BTW do you know for a fact that he still had his "legal" guns after those incidents? Cause i cant find that little detail in ANY news article...

That isn't my line of reasoning, it is the gun nut's line of reasoning that if we make guns harder to access, these mental cases intent on inflicting murder and mayhem on innocents will simply whip up a cocktail of home made explosives and substitute THAT instead of a gun - which is ridiculous.

Firearm of my choice delivered within a couple hours? I'm sorry, but I'm willing to bet MOST people do not have access to that kind of "connection". Many of these mental cases that end up going postal in a theatre or school are not criminals or even really shady people, so their ability to obtain illegal guns isn't quite as easy as calling up their local arms dealer and waiting a few hours for their black market prize to arrive. I don't know what kind of circle of friends you keep, but the average person (here) simply doesn't have the means to obtain firearms the illegal way. Or maybe I'm kidding myself and all it takes is a stroll into a crappy neighbourhood with a wad of cash being waved around? I think that's a good way of getting yourself robbed more than anything else.


And no, I do not know for a fact....yet. I just read that after both incidents, no charges resulted and neither case was prosecuted so by that line of reasoning, they were probably his legally owned guns.
 
For anyone that actually cares read the below article. Failure at every level http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/1...ough-walls-thought-people-sending-vibrations/


"We had just recently re-hired him,” Hoshko told Reuters. “Another background investigation was re-run and cleared through the defense security service in July 2013."

"According to a Nov. 4, 2010 police report, a neighbor of Alexis said she was sitting in a chair and heard a loud pop, saw dust and then holes in both her ceiling and floor. She said her downstairs neighbor Alexis had called cops on her several times for being loud but police always said they didn’t hear anything and no further action was taken."


"The sergeant wrote in the report that based on what Alexis told him, “I made contact with on-duty Naval Station Police [officer name redacted.]”

The Naval Station Police official told the sergeant “they would follow up on this subject” and determine if Alexis was, in fact, a naval base contractor.






And im supposed to believe that another level of bureaucracy would have prevented this eh? :lmao:


well therein lies the problem... the US has had such a lackadaisical mentality around guns, that despite this guy discharging his weapon on more than one occasion, he (I ASSUME) never had his guns taken away or any type of restriction imposed on him.

I am FAIRLY CERTAIN, that if any registered licensed fire arm owner HERE had the police show up at their house due to reports of shots being fired, and you had bullet holes in your ceiling or walls... the explanation "I was cleaning my LOADED gun and it 'accidentally' went off" probably wouldn't hold water... just like "I had an anger fueled blackout and put 3 bullets into the car tires of a construction worker who looked at me wrong." would result in pretty significant penalities, access to firearms revoked, and/or jail.

At least I sure hope so?


Just saying - the signs WERE there. Could any one predict he would commit this kind of atrocity? Perhaps... but certainly you could make a pretty strong argument that this guy should never have had LEGAL access to firearms.


Perhaps the fact that he was a naval reservist gave him more "leadway" with the police and they brushed it all under the rug because of his service to the country.

Either way, like you said, failure on so many levels.
 
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I actually happen to agree with this, by the way. I have never once advocated for an outright ban of all guns or anything remotely resembling the sort. I however, do not have a problem with relatively strict (like what we have here) rules and laws regarding firearm possession and ownership... Now our self defense laws, not such a fan of.



That isn't my line of reasoning, it is the gun nut's line of reasoning that if we make guns harder to access, these mental cases intent on inflicting murder and mayhem on innocents will simply whip up a cocktail of home made explosives and substitute THAT instead of a gun - which is ridiculous.

Firearm of my choice delivered within a couple hours? I'm sorry, but I'm willing to bet MOST people do not have access to that kind of "connection". Many of these mental cases that end up going postal in a theatre or school are not criminals or even really shady people, so their ability to obtain illegal guns isn't quite as easy as calling up their local arms dealer and waiting a few hours for their black market prize to arrive. I don't know what kind of circle of friends you keep, but the average person (here) simply doesn't have the means to obtain firearms the illegal way. Or maybe I'm kidding myself and all it takes is a stroll into a crappy neighbourhood with a wad of cash being waved around? I think that's a good way of getting yourself robbed more than anything else.


And no, I do not know for a fact....yet. I just read that after both incidents, no charges resulted and neither case was prosecuted so by that line of reasoning, they were probably his legally owned guns.

Then perhaps you grew up in a perfect utopia, or simply had blinds on your entire life.

The same way you can get cocaine, heroin, weed etc...you can get a firearm. Money talks, and where there is money there will be people willing to make it. If the average dummy can get a gun who drops out of grade 6 it can't be that difficult. :lmao:

Google "real toronto" if you're wondering wtf im talking about in the above reference.

And your point that i bolded in blue isnt that ridiculous if you really think about it. Guns are probably the easiest way to kill someone and thats why people use them. If they cant get them legally then they will get them illegally, which is a breeze in both usa and canada. If that fails you can simply drive a car into a crowd of people, you don't even need to build anything....
 
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/17/4489391/navy-yard-alleged-gunman-purchased.html

Associated Story Assets
Navy Yard alleged gunman purchased shotgun legally in Virginia
By Kevin G. Hall McClatchy Newspapers
Updated: 2013-09-18T04:33:42Z
September 17
By Kevin G. Hall
McClatchy Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON — A day after a shooting rampage that left 13 dead in the nation’s capital, the FBI said Tuesday afternoon that alleged gunman Aaron Alexis was armed only with a shotgun purchased legally two days before in Virginia when he entered the Navy Yard’s Building 197 and began firing.

Navy Yard alleged gunman purchased shotgun legally in Virginia

Addressing reporters, FBI Assistant Director-in-Charge Valerie Parlave said law enforcement is now sure that Alexis acted alone and thinks he wasn’t as heavily armed as first thought.
“At this time, we believe that Aaron Alexis entered with a shotgun. We do not have any information at this time that he had an AR-15 in his possession,” said Parlave, also confirming that Alexis did get a handgun from a guard he had shot.
The FBI also offered new details of the movements of Alexis in his final days. He is believed to have arrived in the Washington area around Aug. 25, and stayed in area hotels. On Sept. 7, he began to stay at a Residence Inn not far from the site of the shooting in the southwestern portion of the District of Columbia.
In a statement from J. Michael Slocum, legal counsel for Sharpshooters in Lorton, Va., he reveals that Alexis purchased the gun on Sunday, along with two boxes of ammunition, which means he bought the gun two days before the shooting. Slocum's statement says:
Sharpshooters Small Arms Range was visited by Aaron Alexis on September 14, 2013. Mr. Alexis rented a rifle and purchased ammunition which he used at the practice range. He then purchased a Remington 870 shotgun and a small amount of ammunition (approximately 2 boxes -- 24 shells). In accordance with Federal law, Mr. Alexis' name and other applicable information, including his state of residency, was provided to the Federal NICS system and he was approved by that system. After the terrible and tragic events at the Navy Yard, the Sharpshooters was visited by federal law enforcement authorities, who reviewed the Range's records, including video and other materials. So far as is known Mr. Alexis visited the Range only once, and he has had no other contact with the Range, so far as is known.
“We continue to conduct interviews, exploit digital media … to piece together his recent movements and determine the motive behind his attack,” said Parlave, asking the public to share any and all information that’s known about Alexis. “No piece of information is too small.”
Hundreds of tips have already come in, and the investigation is spanning both coasts, with a look at the gunman’s checkered past in Seattle and in the New York area. Alexis is believed to have family in both areas. He also lived in Fort Worth.
The FBI refused comment on multiple media reports that Alexis, a naval reservist who left service in January 2011, had been on a path for a dishonorable discharge but left before that process played out. The agency also declined to comment on reports that Alexis had been receiving psychiatric help from VA hospitals.
“We continue to look into Mr. Alexis’s past, including his medical and criminal histories,” Parlave said, declining further comment.
Late Monday, law enforcement confirmed that Alexis entered the Navy Yard with a legitimate badge as a defense contractor and drove onto the base. That prompted the Navy to announce Tuesday that it was reviewing its programs granting security clearance.
A "senior Pentagon official" confirmed that Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel will order a review of physical security and access at all Department of Defense installations worldwide.
"The secretary is collecting input from senior leaders today to define the parameters of this review, which could be formally announced as soon as tomorrow."
District of Columbia Police Chief Cathy Lanier provided reporters a more detailed timeline of Monday’s fast-moving events. The first calls came into police about a gunman around 8:15 a.m., and officers were on the scene in two minutes. The first shoot team arrived in seven minutes and officers were immediately in the building scoping out the gunman’s location for incoming personnel.
The entire gun battle lasted more than half an hour, but less than an hour, Lanier said.
“I can tell you there was multiple engagements with the suspect from multiple agencies … before the final shots were fired,” Lanier said.
Correction: Aaron Alexis purchased the shotgun used in the shooting on Saturday, Sept. 14, not on Sunday, Sept. 15, as Sharpshooters lawyer's statement originally said. This story also originally described the Remington 870 as a rifle; it is a shotgun.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/17/4489391/navy-yard-alleged-gunman-purchased.html#storylink=cpy
 
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oh, and according to this article

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...r-at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html

employees are regularly armed and carrying weapons, as well as the complex having armed security guards..

"The suspected gunman appeared to have seized firearms from two of his victims as he moved through the building along the Anacostia River in southeast Washington, where 3,000 Navy employees go to work each day, many of them carrying authorized firearms."

"Survellance video shows the gunman entered the NAVSEA building, at 1336 Isaac Hull Ave., with a shotgun, law enforcement officials told News4's Jackie Bensen.

The suspected gunman shot a security officer in the head, killing him, and took the officer's 9 mm pistol and a magazine of ammunition. The shooter then continued through the building and seemed to target his victims, who were mostly on the third and fourth floors, Bensen reported"
 
If guns were the issue then the shootings in GTA would have never happened, cause the last time i checked you cannot get a firearms license if you've been convicted of a crime.

This statement is false. Have a look at Section 5 of the Firearms Act. A criminal record can prevent getting a firearms licence depending on the details, but there are qualifiers. There's also a discretionary component which again is specific on the details of the individual, but a criminal record is not mandatory exclusion to getting a R/PAL.

And even if you have a clean background check and pass the course the ontario chief firearms officer isnt issuing any concealed carry permits, hell to get an authorization to transport your firearm to a range takes forever.

In Canada, i think "authorization to carry" is the more appropriate term and these permits are issued. i know three people that have a ATC for the purposes of wildlife protection when they are trapping animals. a short-term ATT can be obtained within 24 hours after purchasing from a delaer, whereas a long term ATT can take typically 3-6 weeks or longer is some cases. it's kind of stupid that the CFO will approve the purchase of a restricted firearm, but make you wait yet again to get the LTATT. bottom line is that if someone plans on committing a crime with a gun, having the paperwork in order isn't going to matter.
 
I take it the 14 killed women at Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal and 10 injured don't count, and 1 dead and 19 injured at Dawson College also never happened.

You're right this is clearly a problem in the USA and canada never experienced such a thing.

Like i said, now multiply those 2 events by 10 since the usa has 10x more people than we do and what do you come up with?
Clearly strict control is the solution eh? ;)

Ecole Polytechnique happened 20+ years ago when they didn't have the same laws they do now, Dawson College in this case didn't work as the guy had legally obtained his guns, the law isn't perfect but it's still something than nothing, which would suggest that it works to some degree.

Your math is incorrect.

There have only been 2 mass shootings in Canada....EVER.

How many in the US? Here's at least 20:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-history-fast-facts/
 
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Add up all the victims from the mass shootings in the US and they will still pale in comparison with the 2 top mass killings in their history in which nobody got shot.
 
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