I'll ask him, but it's more headache than not with civil implications.
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I'll ask him, but it's more headache than not with civil implications.
Maybe we should be like the US and put 1 in 100 people in jail, and still have higher crime rates. More jail time and harsher penalties do not stop crimes. It would be great if it did.
You think a police force with the highest budget, and highest paid officers would be able to do something about this?
These thefts have plagued Toronto since I was a kid, and since I was a kid, the Police don't take property theft seriously. All they do is fill out paperwork.
These thefts are so widespread because it is very likely the people involved will not get caught.
Kinda hard to steal a bike when you're locked up in jail playing basketball
kinda easy to learn how to not get caught stealing a bike with a 3-5 year scumbag free university degree in advanced crime.
If harsher penalties and more jail time led to less crime, the US would have less crime. It doesn't.
Toronto police do not take property crimes seriously, they download the problem to insurance, which is why we pay so much insurance.
It would be easy to fix this problem. People steal bikes to part them out and fence through the internet.
If manufacturers coded all parts, then all parts could be identified to a VIN, to a master list of stolen bikes.
This would not be hard to do with laser etching.
I have this on my car. Every part has a permanent code sticker. This makes it easy to trace a part back to the car if stolen, which means thieves will think twice.
Someone is buying all these stolen bike parts. If they can reduce demand, they will reduce theft.
This worked very well in the diamond business -it is nearly impossible to sell a stolen diamond today.
If manufacturers coded all parts, then all parts could be identified to a VIN, to a master list of stolen bikes.
This would not be hard to do with laser etching.
I have this on my car. Every part has a permanent code sticker. This makes it easy to trace a part back to the car if stolen, which means thieves will think twice.
Someone is buying all these stolen bike parts. If they can reduce demand, they will reduce theft.
This worked very well in the diamond business -it is nearly impossible to sell a stolen diamond today.
Koval_68
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No, you don't ! What you have is a bunch of stickers with part#, production run, etc. Only major components are attached to the specific vin#.
kiwi
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What civil implications???
kiwi
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For sure the thieves here get off easy
JFD
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I had the same thing. they either laser etch the 'code' onto every door panel on the car (or it's an ultraviolet marking). You can see the marker sticker on each panel - it's not dealer initiated i believe.
In 2014 summer, ride from 2am to 4am on your motorcycle for the summer, around GTA, from industrial lots, to neighbourhoods, to streets etc. You will find out your answer.
Theives come out around 12am, drive around till 2am, and work till 2-3am till 4-5am. They take their targets out anywhere from 2- 3-4am.
After 2am no cop is driving around on the street unless he's going to a gas station, taking a piss run or coffee run, they will either chill with their cars on in tim hortens parking lots talking to each other with other cruisers, or are stationed by themselves in radar areas sleeping. Only on major hwys are unmarked tactical units driving around, patrolling mostly commercial vehicles, during the day cops are after civilians cars and trucks on the hiways.
Anyways...At those late hours the only vehicles "common on the road" are commercial vehicles, thats why theives always pick white commercial vans and shiit. to fit right in.
You should see how many commerical vans, trucks and trailers are left un attened in warhouse/industrial areas in missiauga, brampton, woodbridge, markham, toronto etc. ask any stunt rider, they'll tell you how many commercial vehicles can be stolen easily like that.
I just don't understand why people leave their bikes in condo parking? pay 50 a month, and get a proper gated storage facility pass, theres one in every city close by. Its perfect for winter season as well when you have no use for your mototrcycle, it warm and safe in a gated storage facility.
The only thing that would work for bikes and condo's it that cellphone linked to motocycle alram from USA. but again too much work for something that should not be.
Things about theives in GTA is if you make it easy for them, they will take it.
Also i don't understand its 2014 almost, condos, should have a section in the underground with built in wall mini garages for bicycles, scooters and motorcycles. you just pay lest say 30 a month for that and you have garage door opener bar code on your key chain to open it. No more bikes will be stolen, when no one can see there is a bike there. solved. something like the built in the wall morge drawers for dead bodies, so theres only one way access from the gate and barcode key chain.lol
Sir Einstien...do you know what happens to stolen vehicles? have you ever heard of a CHOP SHOP, most CHOP SHOPS can take your shiit, and turn into something that you would second guess is even your shiit, in less then 24 hours, and then ship it too Mars and you'll never know.
you can literally re-vin a crashed bike, rebuild it and create a whole new onwership out of the same bike..LEGALLY!
There's probably a honest hard working man, who prays to God, does good, gives to the poor, likely driving around in a stolen carolla from Canada in Asia he bought from a dealer used being sold as "MINT CONDITION ORIGINAL ONE OWNER".lol
That would NEVER work with parts, they are mostly sold over seas, not in the same market they were stolen from, and every part you buy or in a car, can be traced to its origin, unless its a common part like a steel tube etc...try and have a look open up your engine every thing from the plastic intake box, to the TB, Engines and parts have numbers somewhere on them, they can me traced back to the manufacturer, and who the manufacturer put that part in and what dealship that car/bike it went to and who baught it, UHIP etc. Thats how people, trace back cars and bikes from back in the 20's to their original owners. its called a serial number, almost every product part has one, without it a thing cannot be produced. Even rubber hosings have this somewhere.
It works for diamonds, because ALL diamonds are the same. and checking them under the scop takes a second. Its basically "serial coding" like other consumable products.. its the same thing, just that diamonds didn't have serial coding before, so you could sell it on the black market and no one had proof who bought it, who stole etc.
If you buy any part from kijiji like a motorcycle rectifier i.e you can take it to the police station to see if it was stolen, police services have links to every car, bike stolen that was reported, all they would have to do is, check what manufacturer the part came from, and the manufacturer would have the VIN of the bike that part belongs too, police mact the VIN... done.
How i know this, i've had shiit stolen, the first things cops ask is the serial number, then they can trae that product anywhere in the country. I do this with anything i buy from on kijiji, just incase if its stolen i can return it to the police, get my money back and get the crackhead caught.
even the diamond thing would not work if no one reported it stolen or knew it was stolen, and the person buying it unknowing bought it and didn't know it was stolen. same thing with parts, no one would know its stolen unless someone checked it officially.
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LOL the level of intelligence on this forum...i.e in Toronto amazes me lol.
If the part only has a part number, it can still be traced back to the original manufacturer, a serial number is what you actually identify the product and manufacturer with or to etc.
for example someone steals a radiator,alternator.... coolant hose...whatever from your honda...and someone else who buys it from a shady buyer, he can go and get that hose part number traced, and once everything is done, the manufacturers of that civic, can link that part number, from its part number & can see what V.I.N it belongs to. All the parts in your car are linked to your cars/bikes V.I.N=Serial number.
Thats why thief's steal the whole bike, whole car, so no parts can be traced to the vehicle, they take everything off, re vin it, re number parts, and most people who buy used parts could give a flying F, doing any leg work.
There's a big chance the GPS someone buys used, was stolen from Montreal, etc.
There was an incident where a 100 or something, IPADS from the apple store were fake when customers bought them, people went in bought the ipad, replaced it with a fake ones, got their cash back and sold the i pads overseas, if the people over seas had cared to check if their ipad were stolen, those punks would have been caught, but who care these days.
so you're saying every car part ever manufactured has a unique number that is associated with the vin number it belongs to?
average person lives what these days 60 years?
make murder LIFE in prison, real life not 7 years and if you murder someone you can get all the jail knowledge your heart desires, you wont be killing anyone from outside the prison in this life again.
No...the V.I.N is the actual unique number or the "serial number" of cars or bike. And every other part in the car/bike has its regular part number, when they manufacture your motorcycle or car in japan, the manufacturer has part numbers on almost anything that is put in the vehicle, and all those part numbers belong to that V.I.N the "Family" or that bike/car. So the parts in the car or bike are linked to that one unique V.I.N i.e serial number of the bike/car.
So for example when in California street racing, when cops bust street racers, they run their engine part numbers through the system, and 99% of the time they catch racers with stolen parts, those part numbers link back to its original V.I.N (serial number, unique number, the original vehicle it was put into), and that's how easy it is to figure out that the street racer had a stolen engine, and that parts in his car were from another car.
So if someone stole your 1000RR's radiator, and some racer on a cbr 1000rr in cali got booked for street racing and cops ran his radiator part number and it matched your V.I.N, that guys is ****ED! as long as your bikes radiator was reported stolen. and as long as someone on the other end runs the part number...if its reported stolen, that person with the stolen part is done for...reason those kids get booked in cali, is because they are stupid, they just steal parts from one car and sell it to someone else who has no idea and put it into theirs, all locally too.
Professional thieves, take the whole car, whole bike, rip it all to parts, destroy the VIN and part numbers, and replace them with fake untraceable numbers and VIN, and sell the stolen stuff with never used numbers, usually in 3rd world developing places where no will ever check.
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