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Just got a Facebook ad from a group called here for students. They want to "fully fund" education for students. Funded a survey to that effect. So I googled them. Why would they want to do things using a different entity?

This sort of thing is too common.

It bothers me, but I'm not sure what can or should be done about it.
 
Here's the exchange I had when I went against the car ban in High Park.

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The lawyers will love this if it goes to court. People that don't believe in perpetual motion should follow a well funded civil law case.

A thumbnail sketch of High Park history:

The Making of High Park​

In 1836, City Surveyor John Howard and his wife Jemima purchased a 66 ha wooded lot on the lakeshore west of Toronto. Within a year he erected Colborne Lodge. The Howards named the estate High Park, since it is the highest point in the area.



In 1873, the Howards deeded the property to the city for use as a "Public Park for the free use benefit and enjoyment of the citizens of the City of Toronto forever." With the exception of Colborne Lodge and a small farming operation, this land was in a relatively natural state.



In 1876 the City acquired an additional 69 ha east of the estate. It was not until 1930 that the final 29 ha including Grenadier Pond (14 ha) was added, bringing the total size to 164 ha. However, 4.5 ha of marshland at the south end of Grenadier Pond was later given to Metro Transportation when the Queensway extension was built in the early 1950’s, leaving 159.5 ha in total.



For the first few decades after it was established, little development occurred in High Park, in keeping with John Howard's wishes that it be left in an undeveloped, natural state. It quickly became a popular destination for Torontonians wanting to picnic, walk, snowshoe or toboggan in a natural setting.



In the early 1900s the surrounding neighbourhood became developed and public demand for active recreation increased. Trees were cleared for playing fields, new access roads were built, and non-native trees and turf grass were introduced.



In the 1950s and 1960s, a shift in policy led to the introduction of major facilities such as Hillside Gardens, the swimming pool, the zoo, playgrounds, tennis courts, concrete edging on the ponds, and groomed turf areas that included picnic sites. These developments provided many amenities to the City’s residents, but resulted in the loss of many of the Park’s natural areas.



Starting in the mid-1970s, growing awareness of the significance of High Park's natural environment led to a number of research studies. As a result, a large portion of the park became designated provincially as an Area of Natural and Scientific Interest, and by the City of Toronto as an Environmentally Significant Area. Restoration is ongoing to preserve this natural asset for the long term.



Today, with its accessible location, natural features and diverse facilities, High Park continues to attract a multitude of visitors. As the population of Toronto grows and outdoor recreational activities such as running, cycling, dog walking, photography and nature study become more popular, the responsible stewardship of this valuable resource will continue to be a challenge in the years ahead.

Now the snags

The Howards only donated 41% of High Park to the city, the rest being acquired. Does any of the Howard mandate cover the acquired lands?

A Howard request:

For the first few decades after it was established, little development occurred in High Park, in keeping with John Howard's wishes that it be left in an undeveloped, natural state. Again 41% or ????

Does this mean any roads on the original 41% should be ripped up?

What is Toronto and who are the citizens for which the park was meant to be as a place to walk? The modern safety bike wasn't invented until 1885 so bicycling wasn't in the mind of John Howard.

The British inventor John Kemp Starley designed the first successful 'safety' bicycle in 1885. It has all the basic features of standard modern bicycles, including chain drive, which meant that both wheels could be the same size.

What was Toronto at the time of Howard's gift?

Maps of the era indicate that the northern border Toronto was Bloor Street. If the Howard mandate (for the people of Toronto) was established to be at the time of his gift, people living on the north side of Bloor Street could look across at the park but not be allowed to enter.

How about Parkdale, former Village of Parkdale? Map below. Sorry wrong side of Roncesvales

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Popcorn anyone?
 
Adder: High Park is about 400 acres of virgin land with a value to a developer of many billions?

If it became the private estate of those living on properties existing in 1873 the tax bill for the park should only be shared by those with access to the privileges. That would create some housing affordability issues.
 
Does the city have a plan thread - continued?

What they will probably do, and what Toronto has been doing is reduce to 1 lane each way. Make a bike lane, and some parking in select spots in the other lane. This will give the bus room to move over to make a stop without blocking traffic. They have done this on University, Bloor, and Danforth. Doesn't help if the bus stop is also at at intersection and cars behind it need to make a turn though.

Good question on who's agenda, but it might seem like a win for the city and it's budget. Can't cost a lot to repaint some roads. And someone's position get's justified by fulfilling some promise of more bike lanes, that will hardly be used. But I think it's too simple a solution at the scarafice of more congestion because traffic may not move as efficiently. Especially when they are implemented on main roads used to move lots of traffic.
There are no simple solutions but a lot of simple minded ideas.

While putting in more bike lanes they have at the same time eliminated zoning that controls single family homes which will result in more traffic because they haven't fixed transit issues. Single family homes don't have enough parking already in many cases. More cars on narrower streets with no passing.

Has any government ever been ahead of the curve on anything?
 
JTs son wanted to go to the Barbie movie , but not the daughter? Not that there is anything wrong with that .

He’ll be the next Mr Dressup …..


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JTs son wanted to go to the Barbie movie , but not the daughter? Not that there is anything wrong with that .

He’ll be the next Mr Dressup …..

I'm going to hold off on any judgement until I have a n-sample of his sock collection.
 
JTs son wanted to go to the Barbie movie , but not the daughter? Not that there is anything wrong with that .

He’ll be the next Mr Dressup …..


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Yeah, a few days after "for the well-being of our children, we ask that you respect our and their privacy" he brings them right back into the spotlight.

As a self-proclaimed feminist and proponent for gender equality, showing up with the son to Barbie, and the daughter to Oppenheimer appeals to his voter base. Instead of being "Team Barbie", I'd personally like to see him be "Team Canada" and do his f-ing job, but that wouldn't get as many likes from his fans I suppose.
 
The bike lanes on Bloor thing really riles me up. I live in the area and this change is going to make driving anywhere on Bloor unbearable. I submitted feedback and spoke to one of the city planners about this. My conclusion is that the bureaucrats at city hall are being punitive to car drivers, plain and simple. Now you could go down all kinds of conspiracy rabbit holes about car ownership and independence vs. control, but I won't go there.

These are the stated goals of this new change, from the city's own planning documents.

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Looking through these you can see most of them are a pro-bike agenda:
  • Toronto Official Plan: clearly a pro-bike agenda. No other modes of transportation are even mentioned even though Bloor is on a subway line...
  • Road to Health: total non-sequitur, has nothing to do with road design. Unless you're pushing one mode of transport over another, of course.
  • TransformTO: anti-car, totally disregards that you can't do a whole lot of things by transit/bike/foot.
  • Complete Street Guidelines: this section is some nice cognitive dissonance mixed with nonsense ("while recognizing streets as places" -- what?)
  • Vision Zero: accidents happen. Zero deaths/injuries are physically not possible. A later slide shows that the average combined injury/fatality rate for this section is 2 people per year. Considering how many hundreds of thousands of people use Bloor St. that's next to nothing.
  • Reduce Reliance on Motor Vehicles: anti-car. Also they are quite literally making the roadway less efficient.
  • Encourage All Ages and Abilities to Cycle: more pro-bike agenda. I'd also like to see how many people are interested in cycling in January.
  • Recover and Rebuild from COVID-19: more nonsense.

Here are some things you can't do on a bicycle
  • Carry large items
  • Buy groceries for more than one person
  • Do anything involving the transport of kids or pets
  • Travel in inclement weather including half the year when there is snow on the ground or it's below 10 degrees.

Another change they sneak in with this: many intersections will become right-turn-on-red prohibited. So enjoy sitting behind someone waiting to turn right when there are many pedestrians. And before you say "well there are right-turn lanes!", you're right, but they fill up pretty quickly. You can see this at Keele/Bloor and other high pedestrian volume intersections. As soon as you have one bus in the right-turn lane you're basically sitting for a light cycle or two.

Lastly, the entire stretch of Bloor they are building these bike lanes on is serviced by the subway. They could have a huge impact by improving that, for example making the trains come more often (we've had service cuts since 2020) and make it less of a mobile homeless shelter.
 
Seniors SIG. CARP wants guarantees of stock values. Throw in higher CPPs to boot

Want guarantees buy GICs
 
The bike lanes on Bloor thing really riles me up. I live in the area and this change is going to make driving anywhere on Bloor unbearable. I submitted feedback and spoke to one of the city planners about this. My conclusion is that the bureaucrats at city hall are being punitive to car drivers, plain and simple. Now you could go down all kinds of conspiracy rabbit holes about car ownership and independence vs. control, but I won't go there.

These are the stated goals of this new change, from the city's own planning documents.

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Looking through these you can see most of them are a pro-bike agenda:
  • Toronto Official Plan: clearly a pro-bike agenda. No other modes of transportation are even mentioned even though Bloor is on a subway line...
  • Road to Health: total non-sequitur, has nothing to do with road design. Unless you're pushing one mode of transport over another, of course.
  • TransformTO: anti-car, totally disregards that you can't do a whole lot of things by transit/bike/foot.
  • Complete Street Guidelines: this section is some nice cognitive dissonance mixed with nonsense ("while recognizing streets as places" -- what?)
  • Vision Zero: accidents happen. Zero deaths/injuries are physically not possible. A later slide shows that the average combined injury/fatality rate for this section is 2 people per year. Considering how many hundreds of thousands of people use Bloor St. that's next to nothing.
  • Reduce Reliance on Motor Vehicles: anti-car. Also they are quite literally making the roadway less efficient.
  • Encourage All Ages and Abilities to Cycle: more pro-bike agenda. I'd also like to see how many people are interested in cycling in January.
  • Recover and Rebuild from COVID-19: more nonsense.

Here are some things you can't do on a bicycle
  • Carry large items
  • Buy groceries for more than one person
  • Do anything involving the transport of kids or pets
  • Travel in inclement weather including half the year when there is snow on the ground or it's below 10 degrees.

Another change they sneak in with this: many intersections will become right-turn-on-red prohibited. So enjoy sitting behind someone waiting to turn right when there are many pedestrians. And before you say "well there are right-turn lanes!", you're right, but they fill up pretty quickly. You can see this at Keele/Bloor and other high pedestrian volume intersections. As soon as you have one bus in the right-turn lane you're basically sitting for a light cycle or two.

Lastly, the entire stretch of Bloor they are building these bike lanes on is serviced by the subway. They could have a huge impact by improving that, for example making the trains come more often (we've had service cuts since 2020) and make it less of a mobile homeless shelter.
It's not just in Toronto. Bloor st in Mississauga, all of it, is going to one lane each way. There is no plan to put in areas for busses to pull into for passenger load/unload. So the entire street, both ways, will be stuck behind busses.

PLAN

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Absolutely crazy.
What’s crazy is in our neighbourhood they’re getting rid of a perfectly well working roundabout and replacing it with multiple stop signs and turns you need to do.

I emailed the councillor and get a boilerplate bull crap response.

What’s worse is this is TEMPORARY so they may actually tear it up again and replace it or redo it to something new.

Idiots.
 
Here are some things you can't do on a bicycle
  • Carry large items
  • Buy groceries for more than one person
  • Do anything involving the transport of kids or pets
  • Travel in inclement weather including half the year when there is snow on the ground or it's below 10 degrees.

Lastly, the entire stretch of Bloor they are building these bike lanes on is serviced by the subway. They could have a huge impact by improving that, for example making the trains come more often (we've had service cuts since 2020) and make it less of a mobile homeless shelter.
While I disagree with bike lanes on bloor, that list is pretty whiney and not based in reality. A friend has a bicycle trailer, he uses it for dump runs during renovations. 200+ lbs of garbage each trip, 30 km round trip. Is it less time and energy efficient than a car? Hell ya. Is it entirely possible, also hell ya. A trailer/panniers/racks/backpack allow you to carry a hell of a lot of stuff. As for winter, I rode all year when a bicycle was my transportation. About one crash a winter. You figure it out, it isn't that bad. That was without studs, with studded tires, I could probably avoid the one crash a year. We all know the vast majority of the time, the vast majority of vehicles are single occupant and carrying almost no stuff. There are lots of good arguments to use against ruining traffic flow on bloor for bike lanes, no need to resort to this list imo.

I entirely agree about the subway becoming housing. It's not a pleasant experience when you have handfuls of people on every flat surface nodding. They aren't predictable.
 
While I disagree with bike lanes on bloor, that list is pretty whiney and not based in reality. A friend has a bicycle trailer, he uses it for dump runs during renovations. 200+ lbs of garbage each trip, 30 km round trip. Is it less time and energy efficient than a car? Hell ya. Is it entirely possible, also hell ya. A trailer/panniers/racks/backpack allow you to carry a hell of a lot of stuff. As for winter, I rode all year when a bicycle was my transportation. About one crash a winter. You figure it out, it isn't that bad. That was without studs, with studded tires, I could probably avoid the one crash a year. We all know the vast majority of the time, the vast majority of vehicles are single occupant and carrying almost no stuff. There are lots of good arguments to use against ruining traffic flow on bloor for bike lanes, no need to resort to this list imo.

I entirely agree about the subway becoming housing. It's not a pleasant experience when you have handfuls of people on every flat surface nodding. They aren't predictable.

Sorry but I think your examples are not based in reality. What you described is certainly doable yes, but it's a minority opinion. Very few people are taking their kids to school on a bicycle in January. Same goes for people hauling 200lbs of garbage anywhere. Also if riding in the winter were such an easy thing we'd see motorcyclists out in full force year round, but that's simply not the case. Two wheeled transport is not pleasant nor really viable for 4/5 months of the year here.
 

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