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Something that will help you stay alive this season.
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I do that a lot. I've done that once while crossing an intersection on a green when there was a car to my right (yeah, I know, redundant in that situation but it's a habit now) and the old **** in the car beside me freaked out and started honking at me. ****** me the hell off.
Sounds like there have been a few more SIMDSY type crashes lately. Please take a look at the video at the biginning of this thread and the links below if you want to dig deeper.
Why Cars don't see bikes (SMIDSY)
SMIDSY detailed report
..Tom
jonnymedia
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I appreciate this thread. Regardless of the specific technique, and no matter where you ride, we all must assume cars don't see you until we get some sort of indication that they do. Everybody has their own definition of defensive driving. But at the end of the day, our lives are in the hands of those around us. No single car driver here, I'm sure, can say they've never once been surprised by something, and we're likely more "road aware" drivers. In the countryside I use this trick, in the city I slow down, and liberal with the horn. For me, the debate between a life long injury and the chance of not being able to kindly talk my way out of the rare chance I'd be pulled over by a cop is an easy one. However, I'd take life long injury over wearing a hi-viz jacket. Go figure.
Thanks for the information.
Thanks for the information.
Folks there seem to have been a few more cases of riders getting hurt or killed from the type of crash mentioned here.. the "SMIDSY" Crash.
Regardless of whose fault a bike crash is when another vehicle is involved, we tend to end up on the short end of the stick.
Please take the time to go back to the first post in this thread and pay attention to the concepts of motion camoflauge. I firmly believe that this one technique can dramatically improve your odds of staying alive while riding.
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Tom
Regardless of whose fault a bike crash is when another vehicle is involved, we tend to end up on the short end of the stick.
Please take the time to go back to the first post in this thread and pay attention to the concepts of motion camoflauge. I firmly believe that this one technique can dramatically improve your odds of staying alive while riding.
Thanks,
Tom
conundrum
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New rider -- I've been doing this (weaving a bit less/less violently than in that video) as to me it makes sense and is safer. If one day a cop pulls me over for it and gives me a ticket, c'est la vie. Either I'll fight it, or pay it knowing that the countless times I've done this it might have saved my life.
One thing I do every time I see a car either ready to make a left, or a right into my lane I change my body position. Basically either sit up straighter, lift off the seat a little bit, just to show some type of vertical movement.
I think any kind of change in your shape/size/position will help as the human eye gets attracted to changes in motion rather than a continued pace.
I think any kind of change in your shape/size/position will help as the human eye gets attracted to changes in motion rather than a continued pace.
Certainly any motion in the field of vision is good; however the human brain is particularily good at detecting motion across the field of vision, as this is how most threats came when our distant ancestors were hunter/gatherers.
..Tom
rbjeepthing
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thank you for the post
I have been away the last 9 days and see that while I was away there have been some more crashes that appear to be SMIDSY type crashes. Please check into the beginning of this thread and my signature to help you with a strategy that might give you a higher chance of staying alive this year.
..Tom
..Tom
Yet each bike has at least one lit headlight bulb and that's not seen, either. One part of the problem is blending into the background. This advice really helps - weave a tiny bit in your lane to break away from the background. Simple, yet effective.
peterventure
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Wearing a florescent orange or green vest over my riding jacket helps me be seen. I find cagers normally give me extra space and rarely cut in front of me.
Bingo we have a winner
I think the essence of motion camouflage is lost on many that depend on High-Viz. It simply isn't enough to help you break out of the background in a typical SMIDSY situation (and just as a reminder it is the most common crash scenario when bikes and another vehicle is involved.)
Hi-viz can help in some situations, although with a bright background (think of summer when there is lots of light) the hi-viz can actually blend more into the background then a black leather jacket. (BTW I don't generally wear a black leather jacket.) At the same time the way many people wear hi-viz can make it hard for the driver of another vehicle to understand that it is a bike coming at them and not a static construction worker, etc. The brain may simply not understand that the rider is a threat.
..Tom
BimmerMike
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Felt that this needed to be said...I have been riding for some time ( got my bike license in1983 ) and have been driving cars for even longer.
Also been racing cars off and on since the early 90's. I pay a lot of attention to cager and rider skills..or lack thereof.
When at an intersection in my car or work truck and a bike is approaching I always try to make eye contact or do something to let the rider know that I have seen them...big problem is that a good portion of these riders are not even looking in my direction...I have been sitting at stop signs waiting to turn left across the front of their path and they don't even look my way. Maybe they are focused on the traffic ahead or admiring the scenery on the other side of the road and I just think that there is another Get Well Soon post just waiting to happen.
Not everything is the evil cagers fault! Pay attention and be prepared to brake and or avoid that soccer mom...get most riders to do that and we can have a lot less of those GWS posts. I would be so happy if every biker that I see from now on would prove me wrong.
Also been racing cars off and on since the early 90's. I pay a lot of attention to cager and rider skills..or lack thereof.
When at an intersection in my car or work truck and a bike is approaching I always try to make eye contact or do something to let the rider know that I have seen them...big problem is that a good portion of these riders are not even looking in my direction...I have been sitting at stop signs waiting to turn left across the front of their path and they don't even look my way. Maybe they are focused on the traffic ahead or admiring the scenery on the other side of the road and I just think that there is another Get Well Soon post just waiting to happen.
Not everything is the evil cagers fault! Pay attention and be prepared to brake and or avoid that soccer mom...get most riders to do that and we can have a lot less of those GWS posts. I would be so happy if every biker that I see from now on would prove me wrong.
peterventure
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Riders taking the M2 Motorcycle exit Test all wear a orange High vis vest. On Demo rides both the leader and sweeper wear the orange vest.
Never had a problem seeing the leader on any of the demo rides.
Never had a problem seeing the leader on any of the demo rides.
The root issue isn't a matter of being seen when someone is looking for you. No doubt you can see hi-viz a mile away, but it that isn't the problem. The problem is getting the brain to recognize that there is a threat there in the brief moments preceding a SMIDSY type crash.
That's what the video and the link in my signature talk about.
..Tom
vrus
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this works
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