boyoboy
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So who's building a 300 track bike?
- Thread starter Benny!
- Start date
always subject to change at RACE
boyoboy
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From the rulebook for 300 lwt prod'n:
380cc Four stroke multi or twin
400cc Four stroke single
500cc Four stroke air cooled (vintage legal)
400cc Two stroke air cooled street based
Wheels:
Must be of stock design and type
Front Suspension:
Externals must be stock including brake stays
Internal springs may be changed but dampening system must remain stock.
Rear Suspension:
May be upgraded to aftermarket unit
Brakes:
Lines may be upgraded to steel braided
Calipers and master cylinder must remain stock
Pads/shoes may be upgraded to track grade
Rotors must remain stock
Frame:
Must be OEM but may be delugged and fitted with bung for damper
Electronics:
CDI and wire harness must be OEM of street design
Fuel System:
Fuel control device may be used
Stock carbs if fitted must be used may be rejetted
Stock T/B must be used if fitted
Airbox must be retained but may be modified and used with or without air filter
Bodywork:
Must appear stock in style
Double Bubble style windshield permitted
Must have liquid retaining lowers or damming of stock lowers to handle bikes fluid capacity.
Controls:
Must use original throttle set up (no quick turn)
Levers may be changed to aftermarket style
Rear sets may be fitted
Charging System:
Must remain installed and operational
Exhaust:
May be changed out for aftermarket
Must not end past rear wheel
Must not exceed particular track noise requirements.
Engine:
Must remain stock internally as well as externally
Camshafts may not be changed
Adjustable cam gears may be used
Cylinder head may not be ported and oversized valves are not permitted
Oil and cooling systems may be upgraded
Pistons and connecting rods may be aftermarket but must be stock dimensions
Transmission gears may not be undercut
Transmission gears may not alter ratio
Slipper style clutch not accepted unless of stock design
Timing control not permitted
Clutch plates and springs may be upgraded
Final drive gearing without restriction
Steering damper may be added
Crash guards may be added
380cc Four stroke multi or twin
400cc Four stroke single
500cc Four stroke air cooled (vintage legal)
400cc Two stroke air cooled street based
Wheels:
Must be of stock design and type
Front Suspension:
Externals must be stock including brake stays
Internal springs may be changed but dampening system must remain stock.
Rear Suspension:
May be upgraded to aftermarket unit
Brakes:
Lines may be upgraded to steel braided
Calipers and master cylinder must remain stock
Pads/shoes may be upgraded to track grade
Rotors must remain stock
Frame:
Must be OEM but may be delugged and fitted with bung for damper
Electronics:
CDI and wire harness must be OEM of street design
Fuel System:
Fuel control device may be used
Stock carbs if fitted must be used may be rejetted
Stock T/B must be used if fitted
Airbox must be retained but may be modified and used with or without air filter
Bodywork:
Must appear stock in style
Double Bubble style windshield permitted
Must have liquid retaining lowers or damming of stock lowers to handle bikes fluid capacity.
Controls:
Must use original throttle set up (no quick turn)
Levers may be changed to aftermarket style
Rear sets may be fitted
Charging System:
Must remain installed and operational
Exhaust:
May be changed out for aftermarket
Must not end past rear wheel
Must not exceed particular track noise requirements.
Engine:
Must remain stock internally as well as externally
Camshafts may not be changed
Adjustable cam gears may be used
Cylinder head may not be ported and oversized valves are not permitted
Oil and cooling systems may be upgraded
Pistons and connecting rods may be aftermarket but must be stock dimensions
Transmission gears may not be undercut
Transmission gears may not alter ratio
Slipper style clutch not accepted unless of stock design
Timing control not permitted
Clutch plates and springs may be upgraded
Final drive gearing without restriction
Steering damper may be added
Crash guards may be added
boyoboy
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Results from last year at RACE. there is 300 prod'n; lwt prod'n; and lwt superbike.
a 300 can race in all three classes. a ninja 500 can race in two of those classes
RACE Motorcycle Racing Event: September 6, 2015
Class
Date Posted
300 Production Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
AM 600 Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
AM Superbike Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Lost ERA Ltwt Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Ltwt BOTT Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Ltwt Production Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Ltwt Superbike Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Masters Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Novice 600 Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
OBC Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Open Sprint Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Pro 600 Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Pro Superbike Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Rookie Cup Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
a 300 can race in all three classes. a ninja 500 can race in two of those classes
RACE Motorcycle Racing Event: September 6, 2015
Class
Date Posted
300 Production Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
AM 600 Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
AM Superbike Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Lost ERA Ltwt Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Ltwt BOTT Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Ltwt Production Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Ltwt Superbike Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Masters Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Novice 600 Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
OBC Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Open Sprint Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Pro 600 Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Pro Superbike Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
Rookie Cup Sep 8, 2015 [Print]
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I've had both, I wouldn't say the 400 is "much" faster, and Jamie Barkley would probably beg to differ! Stock for stock my EX made more power than the Fizzer.
The fizzer is like a precision instrument, the EX is like hammers and crow bars ...
The fizzer is like a precision instrument, the EX is like hammers and crow bars ...
boyoboy
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huh ? fzr400 is much faster (on a racetrack)
boyoboy
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ridiculous debate unless you dump a trailer load of money into your ninja 500r, fzr400 is the better bike. anyhow, the fzr400 for sale on the vrra site is a good deal. its all prepped and ready to go - saves a lot of time and money over building your own. turnkey!
No it's not. An fzr400 handles better but is no faster than a ex500r. All of the Vintage p4-f3 bikes are about the same speed, sure some have differences like handling better, top speed, torque, etc...
My bandit 400 is slower than a nt650 hawk, and ex500, but handles as well as an fzr400.
You dont need to dump a bunch of money into any of the bikes...with those old girls, it's the rider that is the biggest factor.
Jamie Barkley is a fantastic rider, and his ex500s are pretty trick. But Ed (who races his ex500 in lwt production) bike is faster than my 400 top end and off corner exit.
Like I said...its all about the rider.
boyoboy
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I've raced against fzr 400s and ninja 500's when the grids used to be full. with equal riders the fzr400 will always finish well ahead of the ninja 500r. hands down.
How many fzr400s, and how many ninja 500rs are in the top 10 at a typical P4f3 race? uh huh. not even close. this is a ridiculous debate.
How many fzr400s, and how many ninja 500rs are in the top 10 at a typical P4f3 race? uh huh. not even close. this is a ridiculous debate.
boyoboy
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poster has raised the price to $3000, sure sign spring is around the corner. this bike has previously won p4f3 at mosport.
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I think you really need to go and check out a P4F3 race.
Honda Hawks Dominate. Then its a mash up of FZR400s and EX500s. When Raffa's Hawk exploded during practice at Mosport he borrowed an EX500 and was on the podium.
The Top 12 from Shannonvilles Quinte TT 2016...
1) Hawk
2) Hawk
3) EX500
4) RS125
5) FZR400
6) FZR400
7) Hawk
8) EX500
9) RZ350
10) RG400 Gamma.
11) RZ350
12) RZ350
So really its all about the rider.
This isn't a ridiculous debate at all. You just need to figure it out.
The EX500 is not the fastest or best handling. But its an incredibly cheap way to get to the track, and frankly if they are ridden properly can be very fast.
boyoboy
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still not as fast as a an fzr400 given equal riders. I didn't ask about the couple of fast 650's or the honda factory racer on board. quinte 2016 hasn't run yet.
but if you mean quinte 2015, the first result i checked, 7th place is b. petersen. i don't think brian was on anything but an fzr400...sigh ... you have shown a hawk as 7th place. sigh.. this is getting old
P4-F3 Light:MainFinal June 6 2015
pos start no. competitor laps total time diff best time best lap best speed
1 176 Louie Raffa 8 15:00.405 01:56.905 2 76.062 km/h
2 13 Dominic Aubry 8 15:25.530 25.125 01:59.906 4 74.158 km/h
3 153 Jamie Barkley 8 15:33.765 33.360 02:00.433 3 73.834 km/h
4 868 Daniel Rinfret 8 15:45.926 45.521 02:01.571 2 73.142 km/h
5 821 Patrick Gagnon 8 16:09.963 01:09.558 02:04.204 3 71.592 km/h
6 882 Lawrence Antflick 8 16:16.441 01:16.036 02:06.229 8 70.443 km/h
7 164 Brian Petersen 8 16:20.594 01:20.189 02:06.358 4 70.371 km/h
8 977 Yannick Laflamme 8 16:27.493 01:27.088 02:07.067 3 69.979 km/h
9 311 David Anctil 8 16:27.600 01:27.195 02:06.659 5 70.204 km/h
10 134 Andrew Jones 8 16:55.376 01:54.971 02:09.424 7 68.704 km/h
11 132 Jason Colangelo 8 17:00.215 01:59.810 02:10.677 5 68.046 km/h
12 383 James Allott 8 17:04.370 02:03.965 02:12.052 3 67.337 km/h
13 233 Joe Soles 7 15:03.563 1 lap 02:11.781 7 67.476 km/h
14 401 Gary Holden 7 15:32.525 1 lap 02:16.670 2 65.062 km/h
15 113 Nunzio Fazari 7 15:34.060 1 lap 02:18.384 7 64.256 km/h
16 254X David Berthelot 7 15:34.768 1 lap 02:13.064 6 66.825 km/h
17 217 Pierre Leclipteux 7 15:39.163 1 lap 02:17.204 6 64.809 km/h
18 12 Stephen Campbell 7 15:46.246 1 lap 02:15.390 4 65.677 km/h
19 901 Sue Mcfadden 7 16:05.675 1 lap 0 km/h
20 498 Justin Marshall 7 16:12.071 1 lap 02:18.185 2 64.349 km/h
21 357 Francois Rousseau 7 16:21.256 1 lap 02:17.985 7 64.442 km/h
22 278 Gerard Causse 7 16:37.685 1 lap 02:22.326 4 62.476 km/h
23 171 Rodger Van Adrichem 7 16:42.678 1 lap 02:22.851 4 62.247 km/h
24 65 Bobby Kalakos 7 16:52.011 1 lap 02:23.395 7 62.011 km/h
25 599 Bentley Hammer 7 16:52.872 1 lap 02:24.498 7 61.537 km/h
26 18 Ed Ianni 7 17:16.820 1 lap 02:28.740 3 59.782 km/h
27 580a Brett Hansen 7 17:23.514 1 lap 02:27.018 6 60.482 km/h
28 442 Wendy Webb 6 15:10.072 2 laps 02:31.742 5 58.599 km/h
DNF 49 Brian Madeley 3 05:24.576 02:00.604 3 73.729 km/h
DNF 190 Tyler Wilson 3 05:45.945 02:08.110 2 69.409 km/h
DNS 4 Chris Hurst 0 km/h
DNS 67 Dave King 0 km/h
DNS 701 Steve Humphrey 0 km/h
DNS 402 Sean Holden 0 km/h
DNS 188 Colin Paul 0 km/h
DNS 356 Marc Ethier 0 km/h
DNS 373 Phil Hodgson 0 km/h
DNS 713 Mathias Szalay 0 km/h
DNS 94 Graham Nicholls 0 km/h
DNS 484 Benoit Filion 0 km/h
DNS 647 Jason Takas 0 km/h
so i'll sign off on this, the fzr400 is no faster than the ex500. you win. incorrect results posted or not...sigh
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Yes you are correct I forgot Daniel Rinfret in there. My mistake.
But my point remains mr. Keyboard warrior.
An FZR400 will cost you the same as 2 EX500s.
And yes calling out my wrong year...good for you pal, my mistake.
The FZR400 is a better handling motorcyle, the EX is faster and accelerates better (Twin vs 4) The EX runs 12.75-12.90 in the 1/4....thats on par with FZR600 times fyi.
It all depends on whos riding when it comes to riding these old dinosaurs.
boyoboy
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and the 7th place you put down as a hawk is the first and only result i checked. should i look deeper? sigh
so factory honda racer and recent CSBK pro 600 race winner raffa should of won with the ex500. no? lmao
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Not to discriminate against CSBK or anything. But just because there are old bikes in the VRRA doesn't mean they are slow by any means. And yes after raffas hawk expired at mosport he borrowed Jamie Barkleys back up EX500 and finished 3rd.
But those results are From Shannonville where Raffas hawk (and Brian can attest as well...was running very very well).
Again...its the rider on the bike....not the the bike that is deciding these results. One look at 2nd place finisher Dominic and you wouldn't think he would be fast at all...but dude is smooth and wicked fast, same for Barkley and Brian himself.
I crashed in practice on Saturday for that race, and finished 20th with a dislocated shoulder.
Feel free to look deeper to prove me wrong.
But the fact remains...an EX500 is a formittable machine to run in LWT racing. They are fast enough, and handle er...ok. But more importantly there are parts everywhere. (which was the reason I suggested it in the first place)
Finding things for inline 4 400s is incredibly hard (trust me I just paid through the nose for pistons on my GSF400) so having a bike you can literally blow a motor, and pick one up for $200 is a nice feature.
Hell Tomas Casas is campaigning an EX500 in the VRRA this year (2016) through Whytes Racing. Another CSBK Pro on a Vintage EX....
boyoboy
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yawn. and the ex500 is still not winning. the fzr400 is faster. how many times over the years has an fzr400 finished at the top of the podium, and how many times has an ex500? this should help you, the fzr400 is faster, not "much" faster. better? lmao
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