Sleepy Joe cancels vaccines for export .

[PrivatePilot]

For the record, we do have vaccine facilities in Canada. One right here in the GTA for that matter, another in Quebec, etc.

Just not ones that can produce this new tech vaccines for Covid.

I good description I heard some time ago is that you can't turn a Coca Cola factory into an Orange Juice factory overnight as as a lot of the technology doesn't exactly crossover, or work at all in the new intended application.

The same situation is happening with the MRNA vaccine versus the more traditional RNA we produce here. It's not just a matter of pouring different things into the same machinery and having the "new" product come out the other end of the magic pipes....it's completely different technology, as I understand it.

 

[Mad Mike]

You missed something that I explicitly wrote out. "Conservative ATTITUDE. (Not necessarily solely confined to the political party)"

Up until a year ago ... A vaccine factory in Canada would have been (and was) vulnerable to budget cuts by ANY government that didn't see the value in having it. And that's assuming the government had any say in the matter. If it was privately run ... we're a small market ... it would have been (and was) vulnerable to production consolidation to somewhere else in the world. And that's what happened.

The only way to ensure that we have that capacity within our borders ... is to either have it government-run (in conjunction with research labs) or have sufficient financial support to a private company to encourage it to keep production capacity here.

How else would you do it?

I would have picked a likely winner, Phizer, Astra, Moderna, and worked a deal to put a plant here. I would not have made a deal with China, I would have made deals that had some teeth. We don't know the terms of the deals Trudeau made - what did he pay? what guarantees/penalties are suppliers subject to?

Not a lot of transparency in his dealing, I'm guessing it's as sloppy as WE, Kadhr, Lavalin and just about any deal his finger prints are on.

 

[backmarkerducati]

This is the fault of our leadership, not the US or Europe. One of the reasons countries draw borders and defend them is to protect their citizens At a time where each jab can mean the difference between life and death, do you blame a leader for protecting what's inside their boundary first?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict this would happen. Ya think if JT said to Phiser last year... "I just printed $400 Billion which I plan to set on fire ASAP. I have $1B for you - but you gotta build a Vaccine plant in Canada"

What about the PMs that let the vaccine plants leave? JT sucks, but this is as much about race to the bottom as anything else.

 

[Mad Mike]

What about the PMs that let the vaccine plants leave? JT sucks, but this is as much about race to the bottom as anything else.

You can always whine and cry about the past. Australia and Japan signed deals with virus producers last year - they are both starting production n new plants they spring.

JT passed on Canadian manufacturing deals with North American pharma, instead he supported Chinese govt and his idiotic CanSino partnership. That went well.

Lets face the facts, there was no leadership from JT on Covid. He burned more cash than any other country, failed to protect the most vulnerable, has a new billion dollar virus plan every few weeks.

If you owned a small business and he was one of you managers... how long would you let this carry on?

 

[Brian P]

I won't defend JT picking the wrong partner; that was a "what was he thinking" situation.

But ... We're told that all of the current players WERE asked if they could produce the vaccines here, and those requests were turned down. Maybe in the course of asking everyone, the ill-fated CanSino deal was the only one that wasn't turned down by the other party? Who knows. We're also hearing about potential Canadian manufacturers that were begging for attention, and got nowhere (and now, there's going to be one, but it won't be ready for another year, which doesn't do us much good).

We are not the only country struggling with supply issues. Far from it. At least we've started. Australia and Japan aren't scheduled to begin vaccinating their populations for another couple of months. Japan evidently wants to do their own testing ... seems that the international testing that has already been completed, isn't good enough for them. That's the "not invented here" syndrome at work. (And they still say the summer Olympics are a go?) Australia's position is perhaps defensible on the grounds that they have practically excluded covid19 by other means, and they seem able and willing to continue to do that for a while longer.

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Japan: "No data"
Australia: "No data"
Looks like South Korea hasn't started, either.

 

[Mad Mike]

I won't defend JT picking the wrong partner; that was a "what was he thinking" situation.

But ... We're told that all of the current players WERE asked if they could produce the vaccines here, and those requests were turned down. Maybe in the course of asking everyone, the ill-fated CanSino deal was the only one that wasn't turned down by the other party? Who knows. We're also hearing about potential Canadian manufacturers that were begging for attention, and got nowhere (and now, there's going to be one, but it won't be ready for another year, which doesn't do us much good).

We are not the only country struggling with supply issues. Far from it. At least we've started. Australia and Japan aren't scheduled to begin vaccinating their populations for another couple of months. Japan evidently wants to do their own testing ... seems that the international testing that has already been completed, isn't good enough for them. That's the "not invented here" syndrome at work. (And they still say the summer Olympics are a go?) Australia's position is perhaps defensible on the grounds that they have practically excluded covid19 by other means, and they seem able and willing to continue to do that for a while longer.

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Japan: "No data"
Australia: "No data"
Looks like South Korea hasn't started, either.

Astra Zeneca and others in the private sector proposed manufacturing here. JT turned them down after painting himself into a corner with his China-NRC all govt arrangement.