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Julz said:
I will have to disagree...as per the driving manual
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.2.2.shtml
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manual also says to raise your bum off the seat when going over loose terrain/train tracks.

HTA172 don't care! They'll hit you up for breathing if they can.
 
RR929 said:
I know a lot of people may not agree, but should we put a limit on young rider's eligibility to own higher CC sports bike?? for example 25 years or younger can only go up to 250cc. I don't know if this help at all... even for this particular situation, the rider on a 250cc bike may still try and outrun the police.

Perhaps better education to riders? As well as motorist on cars, how they interact with motorcycles especially with the growing number of riders out there. As part of the car licensing process, perhaps incorporate some form of education in the cirriculum that would enhance car driver sensitivity to motorcyle riders or even bicycle riders when they are driving.
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I 100% agree with this and I am 22 on a Gixxer. I felt a fraction of what my bike is capable off and it scares me. Luckily, I am a sensible person which unfortunately is not the case with most males my age. I think that there should be an age restriction to the amount of CCs on a bike. Hiking up insurance rates won't do anything because there are spoiled rich kids that can kill themselves because of their parents deep pockets. A law like this will never come because there would be an uproar from cry baby teens but its a nice thought.
 
zeniceguy said:
Number 3 your wrong. there are many people in this site that can tell you running normaly does end well. its just wore if u dont get away.
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I stated that running from the police never ends well, due to the higher risk of injury or death to the public, officers and runner.

Running never ever ends well for long. They know to look for your type of vehicle, your outfit and the fact that buffoons like yourself risk the lives of others is scary. I don't know you, but your lack of maturity and common sense disgusts me.

It's sad this rider made a fatal mistake. We as a group of people who ride motorcycles should take this event as a lesson and ride safer then we did before. Promoting running or breaking rules doesn't seem right to me.

Cheers.
 
Matthew.Tremayne said:
I stated that running from the police never ends well, due to the higher risk of injury or death to the public, officers and runner.

Running never ever ends well for long. They know to look for your type of vehicle, your outfit and the fact that buffoons like yourself risk the lives of others is scary. I don't know you, but your lack of maturity and common sense disgusts me.

It's sad this rider made a fatal mistake. We as a group of people who ride motorcycles should take this event as a lesson and ride safer then we did before. Promoting running or breaking rules doesn't seem right to me.

Cheers.
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I just get a sneaky feeling that you will be posting for help in the near future that your bike got impounded and you were innocent.
 
BuckWild said:
I just get a sneaky feeling that you will be posting for help in the near future that your bike got impounded and you were innocent.
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Well don't hold your breath, unless he's stupid enough to be doing highway speed in a residential street it's gonna be pretty hard to get charged hta172 with a 125 ;)
 
Julz said:
Well don't hold your breath, unless he's stupid enough to be doing highway speed in a residential street it's gonna be pretty hard to get charged hta172 with a 125 ;)
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My comment was to the user who said "running" was a great idea and that it was safe (as in get away, home free every time). Clearly it wasn't, if only the fallen rider could give some words of wisdom to some of these men who come off acting as little boys. I don't believe the nature of what I said would bring negative comments from someone.

BuckWild - Surely every vehicle I own, including the tiny 125 & 400+ HP Camaro could get me in a whole heap of trouble! I choose to steer clear of that as most people do. The average person doesn't oppose authority and follows most rules (No I am not a fun Nazi). ;)


:director:MY POINT is that riders should look at this as a tragety ofcourse, yet at the same time as a learning tool. Don't repeat others mistakes, people who have an older sibling(s) can relate to this.
 
Matthew.Tremayne said:
My comment was to the user who said "running" was a great idea and that it was safe (as in get away, home free every time). Clearly it wasn't, if only the fallen rider could give some words of wisdom to some of these men who come off acting as little boys. I don't believe the nature of what I said would bring negative comments from someone.

BuckWild - Surely every vehicle I own, including the tiny 125 & 400+ HP Camaro could get me in a whole heap of trouble! I choose to steer clear of that as most people do. The average person doesn't oppose authority and follows most rules (No I am not a fun Nazi). ;)


:director:MY POINT is that riders should look at this as a tragety ofcourse, yet at the same time as a learning tool. Don't repeat others mistakes, people who have an older sibling(s) can relate to this.
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You don't need to tell me who your comment is directed at believe it or not I can read ya know. I don't get you...what makes you so high in moral and right all the time. The way you respond to people you think you've never done anything wrong in your life before oh wait
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I do have a ticket that was 2 points (No Seatbelt). Such a silly ticket!
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But you don't see anyone jumping on your *** for that do you. There goes your chance of running for GTAM Role Model of the year. You have a 400+hp Camaro and you've never unleashed? R U kiddin me? Sell it and buy a yaris brah better for the environment and you won't have to worry about any of this running from the popo. And yes with the tone of your posts you are a Fun Nazi.
 
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Anyone ever questioning why cops give riders a hard time, need only take example of this thread.
 
Julz, I have done wrong as everyone in this world has. Most people try to keep it to a minimum, obviously. I just think it's ****ed up that people actually run. If I wanted to pretend I was perfect I wouldn't have posted that or would have deleted it. I made a mistake and forgot for clip in my seat belt at 5 am pulling out of a gas station. I owned up and paid a 100 dollars for a mistake which I learned from. I love lighting up the pavement with the Z28, but I save that for a place where it's legal (track). Next time, stay on topic of the thread, just PM me if you want to whine or attempt to make yourself look intelligent by going through my old posts.

It's all about common sense and where/when you do things. If it's not worth loosing your bike and you can't afford tickets, don't do things that can get you in trouble. Simple concept? Apparently not.
 
Matthew.Tremayne said:
Julz, I have done wrong as everyone in this world has. Most people try to keep it to a minimum, obviously. I just think it's ****ed up that people actually run. If I wanted to pretend I was perfect I wouldn't have posted that or would have deleted it. I made a mistake and forgot for clip in my seat belt at 5 am pulling out of a gas station. I owned up and paid a 100 dollars for a mistake which I learned from. I love lighting up the pavement with the Z28, but I save that for a place where it's legal (track). Next time, stay on topic of the thread, just PM me if you want to whine or attempt to make yourself look intelligent by going through my old posts.

It's all about common sense and where/when you do things. If it's not worth loosing your bike and you can't afford tickets, don't do things that can get you in trouble. Simple concept? Apparently not.
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If you have done wrong as everyone then why does it seem like you have the biggest stone to cast? From speeding ticket thread to the Justin Biever owning an MV lol And for the record I do not encourage running but I do think that this stunting law is f*****
 
It is unfortunate that another young life has been cut short due to a bad decision.

But for the grace of God have a lot of us survived our less than bright idea moments whether it be speeding, stunting, or driving drunk. The issue is not the police or the laws it is one of learning, ownership and self-control. It is always easy to blame others than to take a hard look in the mirror and admit that you are the problem. If you run often enough you may just die tired...
 
Blacksanction said:
It is unfortunate that another young life has been cut short due to a bad decision.

But for the grace of God have a lot of us survived our less than bright idea moments whether it be speeding, stunting, or driving drunk. The issue is not the police or the laws it is one of learning, ownership and self-control. It is always easy to blame others than to take a hard look in the mirror and admit that you are the problem. If you run often enough you may just die tired...
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Or perhaps, as a somewhat intelligent society, we might consider why people do what they do and consider what actions we could take to change that. In many cases, people run as a direct result of HTA 172. If you don't understand that, try talking with an honest traffic cop.

HTA 172 is a tool to fix a problem that doesn't exist and for which there were already better tools.

A direct result of this legislation is more runners. That results in more injuries and deaths. From a law intended to make traffic safer. Do you not see the logic pattern here?
 
[h=1]some local reaction: http://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...called-for-in-wake-of-fatal-motorcycle-crash/

Regulation changes called for in wake of fatal motorcycle crash[/h]Markham Economist & Sun ByJeremy Grimaldi
When a 22-year-old motorcyclist crashed his bike and died in Markham this week , Styles Weinberg, let out a long sigh of frustration.

He was not the first "fearless kid" with a "bullet for a bike" killed on York Region roads and he won't be the last.
According to the Special investigations Unit, which is investigating the incident, police attempted to pull over the bike at Major Mackenzie Drive East and McCowan Road, but the bike sped off and collided with another vehicle.
The mangled bike ended up several metres from the site of the crash site and the rider died on the way to Markham Stouffville Hospital.
The motorcyclist didn't have a criminal record, according to a police source.
Mr. Weinberg, president of Acme Motorcycle Club in Vaughan, has heard it all before and believes something needs to be done to stop "immature" young men from buying the affordable but powerful machines that can often top 200 km/h.
"These bikes have only one purpose and that's speed," he said.
In motorcycle parlance, these extremely powerful and fast sport motorcycles are often called "donor bikes", Mr. Weinberg said, referring to the propensity for riders, often young males, to push the machines' limits, sometimes with fatal consequences.
Other popular "games" road bikers play include cracking the throttle, during which riders go from zero to 100 km/h in three seconds, and joining the lines, which involves riders going so fast that dotted lines on roads can appear solid.
Mr. Weinberg recounted a story from 2012, during which he witnessed the "insane" risk taken by one rider on Hwy. 400.
"My wife and I were on my bike doing 100 km/h when a kid ripped past us while doing a pop-a-wheely on the rear wheel," he said. "We've all seen these kids speeding up the highway, weaving in and out of cars. I just watched with my jaw hanging open. It's crazy."
Riders flee from police for a number of reasons, including a lack of insurance or simply for the thrill, generally with the knowledge police often don't pursue due to public safety concerns.
York Regional Police Staff Sgt. Brad Bulmer agreed that while insurance and lack of a license are often reasons bikers flee, he said they also run because of more insignificant reasons.
"If your license is expired, you may get a ticket of $110 and that would be it," he said, stressing his comments were not in relation to this week's accident.
"The minute you flee, though, you're committing a fail to stop and/or police pursuit and there's no out-of-court settlement for that. That's a risk a motorist will make and it's unfortunate because it tends to end in tragedy."
Most riders are law-abiding, however there is a small minority of inexperienced or immature bikers that take unnecessary risks, giving the hobby a bad name, said Staff Sgt. Bulmer, a motorcycle enthusiast himself.
"We have guys with very little experience riding some powerful bikes," he said.
This time of year is particularly bad for collisions because riders are riding on slippery roads after a winter hiatus.
Mr Weinberg contends there should be different classifications for street bikes or an increased age requirement for those seeking a motorcycle license.
"I don't support a ban — we live in a free country — but we also have to be responsible. This system doesn't make sense," he said. "It's like some of the Ferrari's you can buy in Italy, you can't bring them over here and drive them on the streets (because) we have standards."
Increased education would also go a long way, he added.
Ontario's Transportation Ministry said its graduated license program goes a long way to solving the issue, stating that between 1990 and 2010, there was a 64-per-cent decline in the fatality rate per 10,000 motorcycle registrations.
"We are aware of power and engine-based restrictions for young/novice motorcyclists in other jurisdictions, but are not considering such restrictions at this time," ministry spokesperson Bob Nichols said.
"Our focus is on ensuring, through our licensing and testing program, that riders have the necessary skills to operate a motorcycle safely on our roads."

The SIU, an arm’s length agency that investigates reports involving police where there has been death, serious injury or allegations of sexual assault, is continuing its probe of Monday's crash.
If you have information, call the lead investigator at 416-622-2293 or 1-800-787-8529 ext. 2293.
 
I like the complete gloss over there about the fines of Bill172.
If riders flea it's only $110 ticket for no license or whatever mentioned above.

So this long article and nobody mentions the elephant and pink gorilla in the room.
Business as usual.
 
I learned that the young victim of this horrible accident is also a member of this forum. His alias was At_28

Makes it even harder to accept such tragedy when you know a little bit about the person instead of just another statistic..... ( I just read some of his past postings)

Like other members just mentioned earlier, let's hope this tragedy serves as a lesson for us all to ride safer.
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