Should cyclists be subject to MTO testing and licensing?

[eljay]

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You need to learn about polling methodology.
You have 34 responses from possible thousands.
Most polls here get more than 100.
Your question doesn't set up opposing alternatives or cover all opinions. There's no way for must people to answer, including myself. I didn't vote because I can't answer your questions honestly given the available response. Same goes for most I presume.

Should crackheads be licensed for smoking crack in public?
1. Yes, they should because they are using the same public spaces as us decent citizens.
2. No, they should get high, OD, and die in elementary school playgrounds with no one to blame for their epically screwed up lives but society at large (that's you and me baby!!).

Make sense?

So the majority agree.
Interesting!

 

[eljay]

Please explain how different it would be if the MTO regulated bicycles vs. how they currently regulate motorcycles?
It would ensure that everyone using the public roads understand the rules and regulations.

Two wrongs won't make it right.

 

[LePhillou]

How would you define an age limit?

Under a certain age you cant ride on the road? Under a certain age you cant get licensed?

Since getting a car / motorbike is already more regulated age-wise, how would you regulate it through all the stores selling bikes (including canadian tire, zellers, wal-mart, )

I understand where youre coming from, it would ideally be awesome to make sure cyclists understand how the road works, but it would be
1- a money grab
2- very fkin expensive to cover ontario
3- very frustrating as they already have trouble with DriveTest centers as of right now (look at the 6-hour lineups)

And try to imagine if insurance starts getting involved in this.
You'll end up decreasing the number of cyclists, increasing average weight of the population (obesity costs us money in health expenses)
Increasing the number of people commuting in cars, therefore increasing traffic jam, frustration, accidents, and pollution
Public transit wont suffice.

THE APOCALYPSE

 

[backmarkerducati]

Low Speed E-Bikes should be a new class and have a license, maybe the same as dumb-down scooter idea.

Bicycles should require a license when you are over 16. Written only, $20 to write and $10 very few years to renew. Idea is, it is a way to track riders and hand out tickets.

 

[IV.]

Low Speed E-Bikes should be a new class and have a license, maybe the same as dumb-down scooter idea.

Bicycles should require a license when you are over 16. Written only, $20 to write and $10 very few years to renew. Idea is, it is a way to track riders and hand out tickets.

Thank you Sir for offering some ideas. I was purposely leaving them out to see if some of these people are capable of answering their own questions considering I kept pointing them to the MTO for legal rights and responsibility.

 

[short stop]

Low Speed E-Bikes should be a new class and have a license, maybe the same as dumb-down scooter idea.

Bicycles should require a license when you are over 16. Written only, $20 to write and $10 very few years to renew. Idea is, it is a way to track riders and hand out tickets.

Wonderful ideas, sounds so simple, doesn't it?

Who's gonna enforce it?

 

[LePhillou]

Wonderful ideas, sounds so simple, doesn't it?

Who's gonna enforce it?

R.I.D.E for bikers

this is gonna be fun
cant wait to see the hot pursuit... biker takes a back alley, policeman calls in the horse reinforcements

 

[mxs]

So far the majority are in favor.

LOL ... majority of the people who bothered to peak into the thread and respond, you wanted to say, right?

 

[IV.]

LOL ... majority of the people who bothered to peak into the thread and respond, you wanted to say, right?

I am not quite certain by what you mean. By majority, I mean the people that clicked on the button for yes.

 

[OpenGambit]

I am not quite certain by what you mean. By majority, I mean the people that clicked on the button for yes.

Not understanding english will do that.

 

[IV.]

Not understanding english will do that.

Perhaps one day I might be halfas smart as you if the world does not end in 2012.

 

[fastar1]

The Ministry of Transportation (Ontario) is looking to update its bicyle policy. The framework of strategy is described here;

http://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...ticeId=MTE3OTMx&statusId=MTc2NTA4&language=en

It includes a public consultation period, so if you're seriously concerned about policy and want to voice your opinion this is your opportunity.

 

[Invincible]

R.I.D.E for bikers

this is gonna be fun
cant wait to see the hot pursuit... biker takes a back alley, policeman calls in the horse reinforcements

been there done that.
charged no horn. fail to identify self. no reflectors.

took 7 peel cruisers.

 

[daisoman]

I didn't read this whole thread but F ebikes.

Saw this in Brampton of course.
ebike with a homemade trailer with no tags riding near the curb but sticking out enough so no one can pass. ***** was smoking a cig with no helmet.

 

[fastar1]

I didn't read this whole thread but F ebikes.

Saw this in Brampton of course.
ebike with a homemade trailer with no tags riding near the curb but sticking out enough so no one can pass. ***** was smoking a cig with no helmet.

Share your views where they can make a difference:

The Ministry of Transportation (Ontario) is looking to update its bicyle policy. The framework of strategy is described here;

http://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...ticeId=MTE3OTMx&statusId=MTc2NTA4&language=en

It includes a public consultation period, so if you're seriously concerned about policy and want to voice your opinion this is your opportunity.

 

[daisoman]

Share your views where they can make a difference:

If I was too lazy to read this thread what makes u think I'm going to read that?

Lol I'm just trying to vent a little. Let the ebikers ride!

 

[nobbie48]

been there done that.
charged no horn. fail to identify self. no reflectors.

took 7 peel cruisers.

Did you lie, refuse to answer or is there some law that says one must carry ID?

 

[nobbie48]

The Ministry of Transportation (Ontario) is looking to update its bicyle policy. The framework of strategy is described here;

http://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...ticeId=MTE3OTMx&statusId=MTc2NTA4&language=en

It includes a public consultation period, so if you're seriously concerned about policy and want to voice your opinion this is your opportunity.

Good concept but few people outside of the pro cycle movement will hear of it. Therefore the input will be unbalanced and may make things worse.

One problem is that, not unlike motocycles, bicycles can be used for different things. Both can be used for practical commuting. Both are primarily used for pleasure riding. Both can be used for speeding and careless riding. The power of a motorcycle makes it more lethal but the "It's good for you" factor of bicycling creates a aura of innocence that often isn't justified.

Toronto had earmarked 76 million for bicycle trails and lanes. Any chance of motorcycle lanes? Hah!

Until bicyclists are licenced (Unlikely) the careless part will be difficult to enforce.

 

[fastar1]

Good concept but few people outside of the pro cycle movement will hear of it. Therefore the input will be unbalanced and may make things worse.

One problem is that, not unlike motocycles, bicycles can be used for different things. Both can be used for practical commuting. Both are primarily used for pleasure riding. Both can be used for speeding and careless riding. The power of a motorcycle makes it more lethal but the "It's good for you" factor of bicycling creates a aura of innocence that often isn't justified.

Toronto had earmarked 76 million for bicycle trails and lanes. Any chance of motorcycle lanes? Hah!

Until bicyclists are licenced (Unlikely) the careless part will be difficult to enforce.

Don't prejudge the outcome. The last time the questions were looked at in depth was 1992, and a patchwork of changes have been made since then to accomodate things like e-bikes, and increasing interest in alternatives to the automobile. We've since learned that adding cyclists and cycling infrastructure isn't encouraging them to respect the rules of the road, nor is it helping to increase driver awareness of them. And e-bikes are not being used to replace cars as hoped, they are used to replace bicycles by people who have even less respect for the rules of the road than cyclists have.

These things can be improved. Licensing cyclists would be retarded, but an educational and enforcement campaign could help a lot, for both cyclists and drivers. I think the e-bike situation would improve also if e-bikes were redefined such that they can't move solely under their own power.

Doesn't mean any of this will happen, but no good can come from good ideas if no one hears them. Even bad ideas could at least be considered and dismissed based on sound rationale. As daisoman suggested it's not exactly a user-friendly process, I agree. But at least it's there for those who are serious about their complaints, like IV. maybe?

 

[Fontes59]

IMO people wanna ride there bikes thats good for them , there wasting less money on their commute and its better for the enviorment and their health but i feel if they break the law in anyway just like a motor vehicle cops should strongly enforce it, anything from driving recklessly to talking on a cellphone they should get fined for it and it should count towards your driving record. and if people dont like my post for whatever reason remember THIS IS MY OPINION

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