Sheep slaughtered in city park

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TORONTO - Toronto Police are seeking advice from a Crown attorney to determine if any charges apply to two men who allegedly sacrificed a sheep in a North York park for good luck.


Cops found the disturbing scene in Rowntree Mills Park around 10:25 p.m.


Friday after tracing a car they believed was involved in a kidnapping, sources said.


Police were called by a woman claiming she saw someone trying to escape from the trunk of a car. She managed to get the licence plate and officers later found the vehicle in the Islington and Finch Aves. area park.


Officers found duct tape, binding twine and excrement inside the trunk.


Moments after finding the car, two men came running towards the car and they were taken into custody, sources said.


But they told officers that they had sacrificed a sheep, which they bought for about $150 from a farm near Hwy. 27 in York Region, and slaughtered it for good luck.


Stunned officers found the sheep, the bloodied rock where the slaughter occurred and a ceramic bowl used in some sort of religious rite to ensure good fortune, along with two bloodied knives and a meat cleaver.


Police aren’t sure the Criminal Code covers the killing of livestock in the same manner as it would a pet and are seeking advice from a Crown, sources said
 
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SkyRider said:
it might be a religious thing. so why not?

*sarcasm
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Next thing you know, people will try to use religion as an excuse for not wearing a helmet.
Oh wait..
Never mind.
 
Police aren't sure if they can press chargers, but didn't they press charges against the raccoon whacker?
 
Were they going to eat the sheep? If yes, I don't see what the big deal is. It's a farm animal, it's raised to be slaughtered.
 
That dude was charged with cruelty to animals.

I think the issue here is that they slaughtered livestock.

I'm sure they'll find something to charge them with.
 
matthew said:
which they bought for about $150 from a farm near Hwy. 27 in York Region
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Wish the article gave a more specific location - I've got a hankering now.

"in some sort of religious rite" - would love some specifics on this.
 
matthew said:
Police aren't sure if they can press chargers, but didn't they press charges against the raccoon whacker?
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Racoons are protected wildlife. Sheep are domesticated livestock. Big difference between the two when it comes to killing them.

The method of killing is also pertinent. If the killing was done quickly and in a manner that minimizes suffering to the animal, then animal cruelty charges will be difficult to support.

In the end, about the only thing that might come out of this sheep killing might be local bylaw charges for committing an impermissible act in a public park, IF they are able to find a suitable bylaw that would fit what happened.
 
turbodish said:
Racoons are protected wildlife. Sheep are domesticated livestock. Big difference between the two when it comes to killing them.

The method of killing is also pertinent. If the killing was done quickly and in a manner that minimizes suffering to the animal, then animal cruelty charges will be difficult to support.

In the end, about the only thing that might come out of this sheep killing might be local bylaw charges for committing an impermissible act in a public park, IF they are able to find a suitable bylaw that would fit what happened.
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local wildlife officer told me the season is open on raccoons 12 months a year, and hunting them at night is permissible. not allowed to relocate them but you can bring them to animal control to be disposed of.
 
CruisnGrrl said:
local wildlife officer told me the season is open on raccoons 12 months a year, and hunting them at night is permissible. not allowed to relocate them but you can bring them to animal control to be disposed of.
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Raccoons are listed as a protected fur-bearing mammal in the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act regulations. There is a limited hunting season on them from Oct 15 to Jan 15 each year. You must have a small game hunting license.
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/document/291246.pdf
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_980670_e.htm
 
turbodish said:
Racoons are protected wildlife. Sheep are domesticated livestock. Big difference between the two when it comes to killing them.

The method of killing is also pertinent. If the killing was done quickly and in a manner that minimizes suffering to the animal, then animal cruelty charges will be difficult to support.

In the end, about the only thing that might come out of this sheep killing might be local bylaw charges for committing an impermissible act in a public park, IF they are able to find a suitable bylaw that would fit what happened.
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Turbo has a valid point, legally livestock is different from wildlife. Much of the public conscience is governed by our legislation and because Sheep are on the menu and Raccoons are not, it it will be harder to prove wrong doing. Unless someone witnessed the killing of the sheep or if there is forensic evidence to support the animal wasn't killed humanely then it's a different situation.

As further evidence what many people fail to realize is that this goes on all the time, albeit not in a public park. A muslim man who works for my employer told me that he often goes to a farm located just outside of the GTA and buys a goat or a sheep and kills it himself. I asked him why he does this, here is how the conversation went:

Me "Why do you go and buy a sheep or goat and insist on killing it yourself?"
Muslim man "Because I like to."
Me "OK. I understand the fact that you like to, but what value does it have versus just buying your meat from somewhere or buying an animal that has already been prepared?"
Muslim man "Well partly because of my muslim beliefs, but mostly because I just like to do it"
Me "So it's about your religion, what is it about your religion that makes you believe you have to do this?"
Muslim man "All food that we eat must be Halal."
Me "I have seen Halal food stores, why not just go there instead?"
Muslim man "I could and I do from time to time and for other items but that isn't what I prefer."
Me "Alright, what makes food Halal or non-Halal?"
Muslim man "I say a prayer and then I take my one arm and put it around the head of the animal like a headlock, then I take a large sharp knife and cut the animal's throat."
Me "That sounds like a really messy situation. If you were to go to a Halal store which sells Halal food and they buy their products from a muslim supplier which does this ritual would it be any different, its still Halal is that right?"
Muslim man "Yes."
Me"What other reason aside from religious beliefs is there for you do do it?"
Muslim man "Well since you kill the animal yourself right then and there the meat is a lot more fresh."
Me "Can you go to this farm, whom I presume is operated by muslims and just buy the freshly prepared meat there?
Muslim man It is owned by muslims and they will do it for you, the meat is just as fresh."
Me "Right then, back to my original question; why do you insist on killing the animal yourself?"
Muslim man "Because I like to." he said with a big smile.

After that conversation it was ostensible to me, and to another co-worker who was there, that he simply enjoyed killing the animal. It had little to do with the freshness of the meat or whether it was truly Halal. Heck, when I asked him if he trust's Boston Pizza's Halal menu he said "Yes". Take from that conversation what you will but I have grave concerns about anyone who actually goes out of their way to kill an animal like this, it seems there is pleasure in it and it doesn't sit well with me.

For the same reasons I don't like what those guys did to that sheep either, but they might not get charged. Hopefully there weren't any kids around to witness what was done to that sheep, that would be very traumatic.
 
I just came from a park where I played with my nephew and niece some soccer, and I do have a problem with stepping in sheep's blood. I understand that I might very well be stepping in dog's pee or raccoon's pee but there is nothing you can do about that. The rights of some (religious or otherwise) should not infringe on the rights of others. I don't mind if they slaughter the animal in their basement, but a city park?
 
sundancekid said:
Turbo has a valid point, legally livestock is different from wildlife. Much of the public conscience is governed by our legislation and because Sheep are on the menu and Raccoons are not, it it will be harder to prove wrong doing. Unless someone witnessed the killing of the sheep or if there is forensic evidence to support the animal wasn't killed humanely then it's a different situation.

As further evidence what many people fail to realize is that this goes on all the time, albeit not in a public park. A muslim man who works for my employer told me that he often goes to a farm located just outside of the GTA and buys a goat or a sheep and kills it himself. I asked him why he does this, here is how the conversation went:

Me "Why do you go and buy a sheep or goat and insist on killing it yourself?"
Muslim man "Because I like to."
Me "OK. I understand the fact that you like to, but what value does it have versus just buying your meat from somewhere or buying an animal that has already been prepared?"
Muslim man "Well partly because of my muslim beliefs, but mostly because I just like to do it"
Me "So it's about your religion, what is it about your religion that makes you believe you have to do this?"
Muslim man "All food that we eat must be Halal."
Me "I have seen Halal food stores, why not just go there instead?"
Muslim man "I could and I do from time to time and for other items but that isn't what I prefer."
Me "Alright, what makes food Halal or non-Halal?"
Muslim man "I say a prayer and then I take my one arm and put it around the head of the animal like a headlock, then I take a large sharp knife and cut the animal's throat."
Me "That sounds like a really messy situation. If you were to go to a Halal store which sells Halal food and they buy their products from a muslim supplier which does this ritual would it be any different, its still Halal is that right?"
Muslim man "Yes."
Me"What other reason aside from religious beliefs is there for you do do it?"
Muslim man "Well since you kill the animal yourself right then and there the meat is a lot more fresh."
Me "Can you go to this farm, whom I presume is operated by muslims and just buy the freshly prepared meat there?
Muslim man It is owned by muslims and they will do it for you, the meat is just as fresh."
Me "Right then, back to my original question; why do you insist on killing the animal yourself?"
Muslim man "Because I like to." he said with a big smile.

After that conversation it was ostensible to me, and to another co-worker who was there, that he simply enjoyed killing the animal. It had little to do with the freshness of the meat or whether it was truly Halal. Heck, when I asked him if he trust's Boston Pizza's Halal menu he said "Yes". Take from that conversation what you will but I have grave concerns about anyone who actually goes out of their way to kill an animal like this, it seems there is pleasure in it and it doesn't sit well with me.

For the same reasons I don't like what those guys did to that sheep either, but they might not get charged. Hopefully there weren't any kids around to witness what was done to that sheep, that would be very traumatic.
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He told you from the beginning he liked to. I hate people like you who need to ask 100 questions only to figure out what was told to you in the beginning.

Besides butchers kill animals on a daily basis and "like it" I suppose you should be concerned about it. Same thing goes for people who hunt their own deer, moose etc. You can buy that meat at a store. But people enjoy the hunting and killing aspect. It probably satisfies our instinctual nature to hunt and kill and thus feels good.

For cute little big city kids like yourself you can equate that feeling to when your daddy buys you an icecream.
 
turbodish said:
Raccoons are listed as a protected fur-bearing mammal in the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act regulations. There is a limited hunting season on them from Oct 15 to Jan 15 each year. You must have a small game hunting license.
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/document/291246.pdf
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_980670_e.htm
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I don't have a license and I don't need one. I find one on my farm, they get shot.
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