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Running.. ugghh

Totally new to running so

I am gonna try the couch to 5k on the treadmill at the local community centre. From what I know, you do the same running program three times in week 1. In week 2 you do a different running program 3 times. So on .


If this is your first time, spend a little time to figure out the treadmill settings to best suit the workout. The treadmill at my gym I couldn't figure how to set the intervals. I wanted 1 minute jogging speed and 1.5 minutes to walking speed intervals for 25 minutes total. So I just did it manually. Next time I ask the staff to help instead of fudging with the settings and just focus on running
This might be a easy solution to keep track of your time.
Subscribe and just following the coaches on the YouTube.
 
Can you run for 10-15 minutes right now? If so, this is a super easy plan to gradually build you up to 5k over 8 weeks: Novice | Hal Higdon

Our neighbours are moving to BC and getting rid of a bunch of stuff in their house. Looks like we are getting a free treadmill.
Pretty sure I can't run 10-15min nonstop nowadays. Used to be able to for sure, 20-30min on the treadmill at a good clip. But that's gone.

Will have to rebuild. I'll post the MaxTrainer this week and see if I can flip it for a treadmill.
 
It's honestly very interesting reading what you guys are suggesting....

Only workout book I read was David Goggins' Can't Hurt Me, and he recommended running until you have kidney failure and are sitting on a bathtub covered in your **** post 100km run; this was a feedback loop for the parental upbringing and workout style I've had since 16.

E.g. what you guys are suggesting sounds very sane yet completely alien lol
 
It's honestly very interesting reading what you guys are suggesting....

Only workout book I read was David Goggins' Can't Hurt Me, and he recommended running until you have kidney failure and are sitting on a bathtub covered in your **** post 100km run; this was a feedback loop for the parental upbringing and workout style I've had since 16.

E.g. what you guys are suggesting sounds very sane yet completely alien lol
While interesting, I know someone that did something similar to your approach and really hurt something (either his kidneys or liver). He was never healthy again. He had very little money so he rode his bicycle everywhere. One hot day he got very dehydrated and kept going. Eventually collapsed with heat stroke and had liver or kidney failure.
 
While interesting, I know someone that did something similar to your approach and really hurt something (either his kidneys or liver). He was never healthy again.

I don't think I can push to that extent. I have, however, done some pretty stupid **** to my shoulders and back because I thought screaming like a super saiyan and trying to set a deadilift PR, after failing the last attempt, would help.....******* anime, I just slipped a disc instead permanently lol
 

Popped up on my YouTube recommended. I'm honestly surprised the algorithm suggested this because I thought YouTube's algos are extremely left.

Might help some of you as well; it's a pretty binary mindset...might be a bit toxic, but I love it.
 
It's honestly very interesting reading what you guys are suggesting....

Only workout book I read was David Goggins' Can't Hurt Me, and he recommended running until you have kidney failure and are sitting on a bathtub covered in your **** post 100km run; this was a feedback loop for the parental upbringing and workout style I've had since 16.

E.g. what you guys are suggesting sounds very sane yet completely alien lol
Goggins is not sustainable for most people. For most people it would go as follows:

- get motivated listening to his $hit
- follow his advice and go hard, and get some results in the (very) short term
- get injured and get bummed with physio and other bullcrap
- lose motivation thinking that (x) will just get you injured
- get fat and out of shape

or you could basically go the other route of :
- starting with tiny little bits of light exercise (5 minutes, every. single. day. no excuse... everybody has 5 minutes, heck you probably spend 5 minutes on the toilet going through your feeds)
- as you get used to it and dont have to "convince" yourself to do those 5m, you increase 2 or 3 of them by doubling that time
- and just keep going at it but keeping the 5 minute minimum as a requirement
- you end up adding tons of volume over time which in itself provide your with gains
- it just becomes a habit and you become more bulletproof because you didnt go ham too soon
 
It's honestly very interesting reading what you guys are suggesting....

Only workout book I read was David Goggins' Can't Hurt Me, and he recommended running until you have kidney failure and are sitting on a bathtub covered in your **** post 100km run; this was a feedback loop for the parental upbringing and workout style I've had since 16.

E.g. what you guys are suggesting sounds very sane yet completely alien lol
Then whoever wrote that book is an idiot, and I'm sorry but whoever follows it to that level...is also an idiot of some sort.
 
Then whoever wrote that book is an idiot, and I'm sorry but whoever follows it to that level...is also an idiot of some sort.

I went his route before I read his book.

The idea is simple: you don't know your limits until you go past them (and get injured.) The more you get injured, the more you learn where the limits are. As long as you don't permanently wreck yourself, you get stronger (aka. mental tolerance for failure, physical tolerance for discomfort and pain.)

Goggins' level is on the extreme end but did remind me I've never went to his point of failure, so there is probably more to "push." I think the psychological aspect of this is similar to V for Vendetta where V tortures Evey Hammond to the point of mental reset so she can see things differently; you can't make excuses for yourself when there's so much rage/self hatred.

Is it mentally healthy? Probably not for most. But...I can't say I don't know a few outliers that went ridiculously far w/ the above mindset and succeeded; it translates to work ethics and whatnot as well (if you are merciless against yourself, you will be merciless versus others.)
 
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I think I stumbled onto Barry P method about 10 years ago along with Daniels Running formula. It really opened my eyes to the fact that you can't just go hard all the time when running. Running is not cycling, it's an impact sport.
Alright, did 2k yesterday, itll be my "recovery" distance

4k today
6k sometime this weekend, we'll assess and see how the body takes it

Then on March 21st, 2.5k recovery, and we'll go up to the moon like that lol

Here's the progression i've jotted down. Some of the Mid runs will be replaced with intervals once i reach the 4k point. I might NOT reach the last line before my half iron but i as long as im on the 3rd last (with the 18k long run) i should be fine.
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Alright, did 2k yesterday, itll be my "recovery" distance

4k today
6k sometime this weekend, we'll assess and see how the body takes it

Then on March 21st, 2.5k recovery, and we'll go up to the moon like that lol

Here's the progression i've jotted down. Some of the Mid runs will be replaced with intervals once i reach the 4k point. I might NOT reach the last line before my half iron but i as long as im on the 3rd last (with the 18k long run) i should be fine.
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Wow good work/plan...that is a whole lot of running though!
 
I went his route before I read his book.

The idea is simple: you don't know your limits until you go past them (and get injured.) The more you get injured, the more you learn where the limits are. As long as you don't permanently wreck yourself, you get stronger (aka. mental tolerance for failure, physical tolerance for discomfort and pain.)

Goggins' level is on the extreme end but did remind me I've never went to his point of failure, so there is probably more to "push." I think the psychological aspect of this is similar to V for Vendetta where V tortures Evey Hammond to the point of mental reset so she can see things differently; you can't make excuses for yourself when there's so much rage/self hatred.

Is it mentally healthy? Probably not for most. But...I can't say I don't know a few outliers that went ridiculously far w/ the above mindset and succeeded; it translates to work ethics and whatnot as well (if you are merciless against yourself, you will be merciless versus others.)
You can explain it to me a million ways and I'll stick by my guns...not healthy for the mind/body. And sure YOU may find it helpful, but as we have said it before...be careful with it, because mental stability is a fine line, and the difference b/w a minor and major/life changing injury is a very fine line that is all too easily crossed.
 
Alright, did 2k yesterday, itll be my "recovery" distance

4k today
6k sometime this weekend, we'll assess and see how the body takes it

Then on March 21st, 2.5k recovery, and we'll go up to the moon like that lol

Here's the progression i've jotted down. Some of the Mid runs will be replaced with intervals once i reach the 4k point. I might NOT reach the last line before my half iron but i as long as im on the 3rd last (with the 18k long run) i should be fine.
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For the various Ironman's and 1/2 Ironman's my wife has competed in, she always had specialized coaches and never ran more than the goal distance in any of her training runs. So for a 42km run she probably hit 34km only once during her longest training run and there's increasing evidence that even that might be too much. As you probably know, the purpose of your accumulated mileage over the weeks is so that your body will be fine for the race day, due to the gradual building / loading each week. So there should be no need for you to ever eclipse 18km when training for a 1/2 Ironman if you are running 3-4x per week already. That extra energy usage could be better spent on speed workouts or your weakest sport that you need to improve upon.

Your weekly totals are also increasing by as much as 20% in some weeks which seems high to me. 6 runs a week also seems more than needed, except for light transition workouts right after another workout (i.e ride the bike for 3 hours, and then immediately head back out for an easy 3-5k to get your muscles used to the switching). My wife has a lot of clients who are elite Ironman's, and they would never have more than 4 dedicated runs per week in training,

If you were only training for a marathon and just running you might get away with that, but also cycling and swimming will mean your body is not recovering enough between workouts. By running too often, increasing loads too quick, you will eventually get injured and then compromise your whole training plan.

FWIW - when training for the 30km Around The Bay, I never exceeded 22km on a long run, and my weekly totals never exceeded 55km. I can post up a sample training plan if it helps.
 
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For the various Ironman's and 1/2 Ironman's my wife has competed in, she always had specialized coaches and never ran more than the goal distance in any of her training runs. So for a 42km run she probably hit 34km only once during her longest training run and there's increasing evidence that even that might be too much. As you probably know, the purpose of your accumulated mileage over the weeks is so that your body will be fine for the race day, due to the gradual building / loading each week. So there should be no need for you to ever eclipse 18km when training for a 1/2 Ironman if you are running 3-4x per week already. That extra energy usage could be better spent on speed workouts or your weakest sport that you need to improve upon.

Your weekly totals are also increasing by as much as 20% in some weeks which seems high to me. 6 runs a week also seems more than needed, except for light transition workouts right after another workout (i.e ride the bike for 3 hours, and then immediately head back out for an easy 3-5k to get your muscles used to the switching). My wife has a lot of clients who are elite Ironman's, and they would never have more than 4 dedicated runs per week in training,

If you were only training for a marathon and just running you might get away with that, but also cycling and swimming will mean your body is not recovering enough between workouts. By running too often, increasing loads too quick, you will eventually get injured and then compromise your whole training plan.

FWIW - when training for the 30km Around The Bay, I never exceeded 22km on a long run, and my weekly totals never exceeded 55km. I can post up a sample training plan if it helps.
Totally hear you on it and agree (especially on the increases)... but this is allllllllllll at very slow pace and it's also not increasing every week, otherwise i'd die; so i might spend 2 weeks on the first step, and if it doesnt feel comfortable i'm staying at that step. And technically at the 5th step, the mileage will decrease as one of the mid runs will be threshold/tempo/steady state intervals (so 400m, 1000m intervals at mid intensity). I won't be doing speed work this time around, that's usually where i break apart every, single, year, (last year when i did 80/20 endurance run training plan, same thing pre-covid with other plans) although that could've been attributed to stopping mobility/strength training a month prior to taking on speed work due to laziness. Excess weight and speed runs don't seem to like to work together and would then require more recovery time.

Probably after half ironman, when i'll re-focus on shorter distance, i'll add some speedwork. I'm trying to focus a bit more on the run because it's my weakest link out of all 3 disciplines. But i'm also keeping it low intensity to avoid injury on my "too-fat" ass. Lower intensity means i need volume to trigger adaptations and make up for the lacking high intensity part of it. Annnnnnd i enjoy the slow runs at night, just me and my breathing and my music, so it helps me hit the consistency checkbox which is quite major.

For the swim, i don't have big expectations, but as long as i'm working it 3 times per week (2 indoors and 1 open-water), i get results. And my masters team will be resuming in april so that'll keep me in line for sure, comparatively to my 40-minute workouts at the city pool last year.
The bike is similar, i've already been doing some structured training on the bike 3 x per week since the beginning of feb and it's the segment i enjoy the most.

So most of the intensity will be in the water and on the bike, as i can handle those a lot better and a few of those "recovery easy runs" will also serve as brick workouts.

Goals here:
Swim 00:50 (i can probably get to 2'00"/100m)
Bike 4:00 (basing myself off of my pace for my 130km ride last year and i wasn't rushing, although it was super crazy hilly in some parts and ridiculously hot)
Run 2:30 (looking at my times last year for my oly distance, where i didn't train my run much from may to august due to injury)

Just slightly over double my olympic distance times. If i do better than that, I'll be happy.
 
In my late teens and early 20s I was a very competitive runner...

For distance events I rarely trained at or over the race distance. Instead I trained at higher intensity but around 3/4 to half the distance. Mixed in fartlek etc. Every now and again during the training season I would do a full race distance to get a better feel of my end pace.

Another favourite trick was at the end of a timed training run (after the distance was done) was to "sprint" until I couldn't to get a feel for what was let in the tank and how far I could go. On race day that gave me a very good idea of when I could start my sprint to the finish without running out of gas 20 meters short. The worst feeling in the world IMO was losing a race and having gas in the tank at the end.
 
In my late teens and early 20s I was a very competitive runner...

For distance events I rarely trained at or over the race distance. Instead I trained at higher intensity but around 3/4 to half the distance. Mixed in fartlek etc. Every now and again during the training season I would do a full race distance to get a better feel of my end pace.

Another favourite trick was at the end of a timed training run (after the distance was done) was to "sprint" until I couldn't to get a feel for what was let in the tank and how far I could go. On race day that gave me a very good idea of when I could start my sprint to the finish without running out of gas 20 meters short. The worst feeling in the world IMO was losing a race and having gas in the tank at the end.
I had a few like that in my training plan last yr, warm up for 5 minutes, run at easy z2 pace for 20 minutes, and run at threshold for 3 minutes, cool down and stop. There might've been some sprint versions of it too. Sometimes they'll get you to do that as "striders" or ramp ups. So you'll do like 800m threshold and then a 100 meter ramp up where you go gradually from threshold to sprint speed.

Supposed to help with form too cause it's harder for the body to have bad form on all-out efforts (it has to naturally remove the inefficiencies to reach top speed)
 
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