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Running from police.

El Zilcho said:
Giving someone a ticket may not be an incentive, but getting someone's vehicle towed may be a satisfying experience for someone who just wants to kick some butt. Tickets aren't always reduced either.

Last, and most importantly, you have no recourse from having your vehicle impounded and your licence suspended. That's not the same as simply getting a ticket, even if that ticket may be considered an "abuse of power" (for example a ticket for 1km/h over the limit). That's nowhere close to that.
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There's also the potential for kick-backs from a towing company, as seems to be the accusation in the Mahoney-Bruer case. When a law is created that bypasses the controls of The Court, the chance of abuse is that much greater.

Then there are the many cases that have been cited, in which HTA 172 was improperly applied to a lesser offence. Whether this is due to simple misunderstanding or strong-arming is immaterial to the accused, who has already been found guilty in a roadside trial.

I also think that OPP have been told to apply HTA 172 whenever possible, in order to simultaneously do two things; justify its existence and enforce The Commissioner's view of "the rule of law", by making people act as example. Fantino has a very 1930s view of police work. The man is an anachronism.
 
How in the world anybody could justify roadside conviction is beyond me. The system is ripe for abuse, and people somehow still buy right into it.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Then there are the many cases that have been cited, in which HTA 172 was improperly applied to a lesser offence. Whether this is due to simple misunderstanding or strong-arming is immaterial to the accused, who has already been found guilty in a roadside trial.

I also think that OPP have been told to apply HTA 172 whenever possible, in order to simultaneously do two things; justify its existence and enforce The Commissioner's view of "the rule of law", by making people act as example. Fantino has a very 1930s view of police work. The man is an anachronism.
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Like you say, we're already criminals. We might as well act the part. The fact of the matter is that running is the only viable act of recourse. What happened to the "Just Society" that I grew up with?

Running is wrong...in my heart I know its wrong. At the risk of sounding overly political and possibly blowing this out of proportion, I don't like the idea of running but how else do we protect our freedom? How else do we revolt against what is an injustice?
 
jotapeh said:
Complacency towards injustice is a greater crime than the injustice itself.
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So just roll over and accept it ?. Robin Hood's a hero.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
However working within the law to redress issues, rather than flouting it, is the proper response.
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I would agree. Yet, as your own experience attests, working within the law is frustratingly ineffectual.

Further when you speak of flouting the law, I daresay a roadside conviction and seizure of property for a traffic violation based on subjective criterion is most certainly flouting the law in itself. How does one respect authority that should never have been granted?

Given these circumstances I would not blame the individual that voices their protest by running. I do not endorse it, nor would I do it myself, but it is a completely valid expression of what that individual believes and probably in many ways more powerful of a statement than any political manoeuvre - for better or worse.
 
jotapeh said:
I would agree. Yet, as your own experience attests, working within the law is frustratingly ineffectual.

Further when you speak of flouting the law, I daresay a roadside conviction and seizure of property for a traffic violation based on subjective criterion is most certainly flouting the law in itself. How does one respect authority that should never have been granted?

Given these circumstances I would not blame the individual that voices their protest by running. I do not endorse it, nor would I do it myself, but it is a completely valid expression of what that individual believes and probably in many ways more powerful of a statement than any political manoeuvre - for better or worse.
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Working within the law ALONE is a frustrating proposition. Far too many people don't bother to educate themselves, and therefore don't act, which is why I try to take the time to inform.
 
Since it's happening a lot, as you mentioned, maybe it's time to face and accept the reality...
 
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....when people get told things they don't like to hear, often they resort to insults.

Sorry, but I think he speaks more sense than most on the subject and you might be suprised to find the number of people that would agree.
 
IMO, if you run from the cops, the stakes get very high and so do the risks you will take in the heat of the moment to avoid the consequences while your life is hanging in the balance. All you realize is the risk of getting caught. In defies all logic. I'd imagine Ghost Rider has a well thought out plan of routes and escape routes - knows the traffic, the area, the capability of the cars and drivers, communication, and has a proficient level of riding ability in the circumstances.
 
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