Wrong again. I have no problem with tickets for traffic violations, I do however have a problem with getting my bike/car towed when I havent been proven guilty of anything.
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Running from police.
- Thread starter Old Dude
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Wrong again. I have no problem with tickets for traffic violations, I do however have a problem with getting my bike/car towed when I havent been proven guilty of anything.
Laws are passed to take the lowest common denominator into account. If we don't police ourselves, then there are plenty of people who think that they should do it for us.
This is how it is, this doesnt mean its the right way of doing things.
ddusseld
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Sounds so reasonable I even catch myself nodding my head. But then reality strikes. What many people want is the simple act of being innocent until proven guilty. 172 changed all of that. I will not be found guilty at the side of the road especially with a law that is so vague and poorly worded that I have no idea what the extent of it is.
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The moment I support this law is the moment police officers stop being human with personal biases towards certain groups of motorists. Too much power in a single persons hands with ZERO accountability.
There's some serious persecution complexes going around here. I've said this before but you're never as important to other people as you think you are and that includes the police.
This has nothing to do with a persecution complex and everything to do with fundamental justice. If the "roadside conviction" aspect of HTA 172 wasn't present, I think that you'd find a lot fewer people in opposition of it.
My argument wasn't with that, it's with the notion that motorcyclists are being singled out by police. Granted I'm not in the GTA but I drive hundreds of Kms of the 401/416/417 and 174 every single week and have yet to actually see a single motorcyclist pulled over by the cops.
The thing with 172 isn't that it's really innocent until proven guilty, it's being caught red-handed at that instant in most cases which is why I don't have as big a problem with it where speed is involved. The other aspects, the "stunting", that's where you get the more subjective arguments. Dangerous driving is something where I don't have a problem with people being stopped and them forfeiting their car/bike immediately either..but that's just a common sense safety issue.
ddusseld
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I'm not sure why wanting to be innocent until proven guilty is a persecution complex?
Motorcyclists in general are targeted more then cars. Sport bikes are targeted more then any other type of bike. Of course somebody will ask me to prove this. All I have is my experiences to back it up. On a sport bike I have been stoped for "paper checks" more times then I can remember. I have yet to be stopped in my car for such a paper check.
How does that saying go "you are not paranoid if somebody is out to get you"..
Motorcyclists in general are targeted more then cars. Sport bikes are targeted more then any other type of bike. Of course somebody will ask me to prove this. All I have is my experiences to back it up. On a sport bike I have been stoped for "paper checks" more times then I can remember. I have yet to be stopped in my car for such a paper check.
How does that saying go "you are not paranoid if somebody is out to get you"..
I've never been pulled over in my car and accused of breaking the law because I was driving a Black SUV and the day before someone in a black SUV had done something wrong. I have been pulled over and accussed of breaking the law because I was riding a yellow bike and the officer had heard over the radio that a yellow bike had been seen driving dangerously.
No persecution complexes here I just acknowledge with a law that requires no evidence in order to be punished severely that biases against certain groups of motorists can flavour the outcome with an officer. Police are human and capable of grudges and can be very petty people like the rest of us. THAT is what scares me about punishment without seeing your day in court.
Oddly enough "stunting" is precisely what the speed aspect of 172 is all about, unless you're talking about the subjective measure "at marked departure from the lawful rate of speed."
Dangerous operation of a vehicle is a Criminal Code charge and a vehicle could potentially be seized for that also. I maintain that 172 is both unnecessary and unnecessarily punitive.
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I passed a cop last night doing about 110 in an 60... he lights em up and Im gone. tapped out 4 gears up Kennedy around 1am. Jumped on the 401 and headed to Oshawa for coffee. Cop backed off at around 170kph.
I live to ride and I'm not losing my license because some pencil dick wants a hero cookie f@#$ 172
I live to ride and I'm not losing my license because some pencil dick wants a hero cookie f@#$ 172
lol I live to ride lol Thats sounded gay. lmfao. Dont bother flaming i'm wearing my suit
I dont think he was blaing the police, rather asking what others think of that statement
This definitely earns a 'Cool story bro' x 1000.
KRFDPSSTI
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They're expected to come back with a minimum of 50 tickets a day, anything less and they get dragged into the office and get ******* at why they're not doing anything...
haisam10
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ya know i love watching cops. people start of taking an illegal right or failing to stop at a stop sign and run when the get lit up. They end up getting arrested with a failing to stop charge in addition to the drugs that the cops invariably find in their car in addition to endangering people because of the chase in addition to careless driving, in addition to... well you get the point.
In the end, they go from having a simple traffic ticket to going to jail. I never understood why people run from the cops. They have a solid infrastructure that can help them find someone. If they get your license plate, you are pretty screwed cause they will get you sooner or later. Getting away one day does not mean you are off their radar.
So why not just stop and see what they have to say, you can ALWAYS fight whatever they give you in court with the sympathy of the judge, but if you run, the judge will be a lot more aggressive to make an example out of you.
In the end, they go from having a simple traffic ticket to going to jail. I never understood why people run from the cops. They have a solid infrastructure that can help them find someone. If they get your license plate, you are pretty screwed cause they will get you sooner or later. Getting away one day does not mean you are off their radar.
So why not just stop and see what they have to say, you can ALWAYS fight whatever they give you in court with the sympathy of the judge, but if you run, the judge will be a lot more aggressive to make an example out of you.
KRFDPSSTI
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Thats one side of the story...the other one that you wont hear about is you step on it for a couple mins, and the cops are gone. No ticket, no charges, no ******** to deal with. Just a pounding heart for a while haah
x2 my bike does 330kph according to sport bike magazine and I havent even really opened it up yet. Cops give me a reason to ride faster than I would normally\
Thats one side of the story...the other one that you wont hear about is you step on it for a couple mins, and the cops are gone. No ticket, no charges, no ******** to deal with. Just a pounding heart for a while haah
mma01
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And what bike would this be?
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